Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Wed, 15 August 2018 08:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:03:51 +0200
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On Aug 14, 2018, at 21:47, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: > > As near as I can tell, there is nothing we collectively can do about > this: we each need to be aware of the immigration realities affecting > us. The IAD and Secretariat and all of IASA can do as much as it > likes to try to get information it knows, but IASA cannot and should > not offer legal advice to any of us. We all must evaluate our > respective situations and make the determination best in each case. Hi Andrew, while this probably faithfully mirrors what a lawyer would tell you, it is also terribly inefficient. The organization behind the IETF can very well collect information about the situation for, say, citizens of the 10 leading regions that will originate participants. I would expect my meeting fee dollars to already have paid for that, because the venue selection committee must already have looked at that. So why withhold that information? Yes, it would need to be qualified as “not legal advice”, “subject to change”, “void where prohibited”, etc. It would help if it contains pointers to authoritative information I can look up myself. And, ultimately, it is my decision (or that of my organization) how to handle this information, but the IETF could do most of the legwork here. Regularly, as a routine component of venue selection and preparing for a meeting. Grüße, Carsten
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- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Portia Wenze-Danley
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand John Levine
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Ted Lemon
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Saleem Bhatti
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Jared Mauch
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Carsten Bormann
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Jared Mauch
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Michael Richardson
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Fred Baker
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Mary B
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand John Levine
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Michael Richardson
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Sean Turner
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Bob Hinden
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Fred Baker
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Clint Chaplin
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Joe Touch
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Adrian Farrel
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Stig Venaas
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Stewart Bryant
- RE: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Adam Roach
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand John C Klensin
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Nico Williams
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Nico Williams
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Michael Richardson
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Pete Resnick
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Randy Bush
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Toerless Eckert
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Eliot Lear
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Toerless Eckert