Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 02 December 2020 17:56 UTC
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To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic
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Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > On 2020-12-02, at 17:38, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote: >> >> If it helps: I've yet to find a system that lacks both telnet and nc (netcat) out of the box. > Indeed, interestingly, for me, nc replaces the existing usages of both > telnet and ftp (i.e., unencrypted and third-party transfers). Except > that my brain cannot teach my fingers to stop typing “telnet”, so I > usually have that installed in some form (e.g., inetutils) as well. neither nc or telnet is installed on Ubuntu or Windows or openwrt by default now. I don't think it's installed by default on RASPbian either. (Hard for me to double check, as naturally, I wind up installing both immediately) Like Carsten, I have difficulty not using telnet when I should be using nc. (But, I don't find I should have -t on by default, which is why nc rather than telnet. Ah, I remember back writing that proxy-telnet...) I have on numerous times found that I can't update systems because the update server insists that I use https, and that I use TLS 1.2 or better, but the system in question is too old, and it's exactly the TLS 1.2 code that I'm trying to get. Should systems be updated more often? Sure, but try telling that to a VM which has been suspended for a year. Or any kind of embedded system which should never be upgraded while in operation. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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- Re: Two FTP issues Larry Masinter
- Re: Two non-FTP issues John Levine
- Re: Two non-FTP issues Keith Moore
- Re: Two FTP issues John C Klensin
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- MIME sniffing Keith Moore
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- Re: MIME sniffing Julian Reschke
- Re: MIME sniffing Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Adam Roach
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Carsten Bormann
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Carsten Bormann
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Thomas
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John C Klensin
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Mark Andrews
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Jared Mauch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Mark Andrews
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John Levine
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John C Klensin
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Theodore Y. Ts'o
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Joe Touch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Dave Cridland
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Nick Hilliard
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic IETF Sergeant at Arms
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Joe Touch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Adam Roach
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore