Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt

["Leslie Daigle" <[e-mail]>]

As this impacts more than just the IAB, it seems to me that this is 
incomplete without a (consensual) consideration of what the IAOC needs 
from the IAB representation.

This job is more than a liaison role, so some consideration of actual 
skillset and ability to represent the IAB view, act on behalf of the IAB 
when appropriate,  and carry matters back to the IAB for timely and 
appropriate review seem kind of key factors.  Also, if it’s not an ex 
officio position, it would seem reasonable to outline a mechanism 
whereby the IAOC could indicate to the IAB that things were not 
working/a replacement was needed.  At the same time, lack of churn is 
useful to the IAOC’s internal functioning, so some level of term 
commitment would be useful, ISTM.

(Speaking purely for myself, of course, and not from my role as a member 
of the IAOC).

If, on the other hand, that seems like too much work, then perhaps the 
“IAB Chair has too many things to do” is a fig leaf to cover some 
IAB internal politicking, which would be a shame.  There’s plenty of 
work that needs doing.

Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
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On 2 Feb 2016, at 14:19, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think this draft mixes up two things.
>
> (1) A proposal that the IAB Chair's ex officio seat in the IAOC be 
> changed
> to be a seat for an IAB voting member designated by the IAB. That of 
> course
> can only be achieved by an RFC that formally updates RFC 4071 and so 
> becomes
> part of BCP 101.
>
> (2) A description of some IAB internal organisational matters, which 
> the IAB
> is clearly free to arrange how it wants, and publish if it wants. IAB
> internal arrangements don't need to be BCPs.
>
> I've got nothing to say about (2).
>
> About (1), I think we should hear the pros and cons, because I doubt 
> if
> this proposal arose in a vacuum. In particular, how would this help 
> the
> IAOC be more effective and more responsive to community concerns?
>
> Regards
> Brian Carpenter
>
> On 03/02/2016 07:20, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>>
>>
>>      Title           : Updating the ex-officio member of the IAB in 
>> the IAOC
>>      Authors         : Ted Hardie
>>                        Andrew Sullivan
>>                        Russ Housley
>> 	Filename        : draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt
>> 	Pages           : 4
>> 	Date            : 2016-02-02
>>
>> Abstract:
>> At the time the IETF Administrative Oversight Committee was set up
>> the Internet Architecture Board had an internal structure
>> significantly different from its current structure.  This document
>> aims to update the ex officio member from the IAB who serves on the
>> IAOC in order to better account for that change and better match the
>> skills set out in RFC 4333.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00
>>
>>
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>> submission
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>>
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