Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

[Steven Bellovin <[e-mail]>]

Also note that RFC 3924 exists.

On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Loa,
> 
> I can't speak for Scott, but I think the problem arises if any
> IANA assignments are needed, regardless of RFC status. That's
> because RFC 2804 speaks of "the process for creating and maintaining
> IETF standards." IANA assignments are part of standards maintenance
> (IMHO, of course).
> 
> Don't forget that 2804 *also* says
> 
> "  - On the other hand, the IETF believes that mechanisms designed to
>     facilitate or enable wiretapping, or methods of using other
>     facilities for such purposes, should be openly described, so as to
>     ensure the maximum review of the mechanisms and ensure that they
>     adhere as closely as possible to their design constraints. The IETF
>     believes that the publication of such mechanisms, and the
>     publication of known weaknesses in such mechanisms, is a Good
>     Thing."
> 
> So it's a delicate balance.
> 
>    Brian
> 
> On 31/07/2012 11:40, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>> would you say that drafts aimed for experimental status are "standards
>> work".
>> 
>> /Loa
>> 
>> On 2012-07-30 18:33, Scott O Bradner wrote:
>>> 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such
>>> documents should
>>> not be published as RFCs  - 2804 says that the IETF will not do
>>> standards work
>>> in this area
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Under the long-standing IETF policy defined in RFC 2804, I trust
>>>> we will not be discussing this draft, or
>>>> draft-balaji-l2vpn-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis, in the IETF.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>>   Brian Carpenter
>>>> 
>>>> On 30/07/2012 09:26, [e-mail] wrote:
>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>>>> directories.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Title           : Label-based Provider-Provisioned Lawful
>>>>> Intercept for L3 VPNs
>>>>>    Author(s)       : Shankar Raman
>>>>>                          Balaji Venkat Venkataswami
>>>>>                          Gaurav Raina
>>>>>                          Vasan Srini
>>>>>                          Bhargav Bhikkaji
>>>>>    Filename        :
>>>>> draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt
>>>>>    Pages           : 12
>>>>>    Date            : 2012-07-30
>>>>> 
>>>>> Abstract:
>>>>>   In models of Single-AS and inter-provider Multi- Protocol Label
>>>>>   Switching (MPLS) based Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) Lawful
>>>>>   Intercept is a key requirement. For example, MPLS-based Layer 3 VPN
>>>>>   models like VPLS and the like do not have any provider provisioned
>>>>>   methods of lawful intercept that are comprehensive, quick and
>>>>> easy to
>>>>>   provision from one single point. More particularly the auto-
>>>>>   provisioning of lawful intercept for all sets of streams travelling
>>>>>   between VPN sites and consequent re-direction of these streams to
>>>>> the
>>>>>   appropriate government network has not been covered without multiple
>>>>>   instances of having to configure the intercept at various points in
>>>>>   the network both in the Single-AS case and the Inter-Provider VPN
>>>>>   case.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   this paper, we propose a technique which uses a set of pre-defined
>>>>>   labels called Lawful Intercept labels and a method for provisioning
>>>>>   lawful intercept amongst the various PE devices using these labels
>>>>>   both in the Single-AS and the inter-provider VPN cases. A single
>>>>>   point of configuration is the key to this idea. The intercepted
>>>>>   traffic is mirrored on a PE or a whole set of PEs or on all the PEs
>>>>>   participating in the VPN. A technique called the Domino-effect
>>>>>   provisioning of these Label-based Provider Provisioned Lawful
>>>>>   Intercept mechanism is also outlined.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
> 


		--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb