Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> Mon, 15 August 2011 19:13 UTC
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From: Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:13:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
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Sorry, apparently I forgot the CC: to the list, resent: On 15 August 2011 17:19, Ned Freed wrote: > I'll be the first to state that the approach being taken here is risky. > In fact I would never have chosen this approach myself. But that doesn't > change the fact that there's a consensus to proceed in this fashion. Maybe my original idea to start the whining in an IETF Last Call was not completely wrong, because I certainly missed whatever resulted in this consensus, and just *assumed* that EAI just moves on to "standards track", because the Internet at large obviously survived the EAI "experiment". In another mail you wrote about checking all Message-IDs in other RFCs: | Maybe, if we were taking the MIME approach, such a check would make | sense. But we're not doing that. That is rather disturbing for me, "not taking the MIME approach" is not something I'd consider. Apart from breaking the concept of Message-IDs without any immediately visible reasons after more than three decades, what else does it encompass? Whatever it might be, shouldn't this be stated in 4952bis, preferably in upper case? >From my POV the A in IDNA means Applications, and the first I in IRI is not an U, no matter what XML or HTML5 say or wish. E.g., if email users try to use a mailto:acsii@example?in-reply-to=mid link in a mailing list archive this is supposed to result in a message/rfc822 with an ordinary In-Reply-To header field, unless this user intentionally uses some EAI features. Message-IDs don't need to be "pretty" or "human readable" or something, their main point is to work as designed under almost all circumstances. -Frank
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
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- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Chris Newman
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE