Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10

"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Mon, 01 August 2022 16:51 UTC

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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: "Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)" <juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10
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Juan Carlos and intarea, there is actually much more to be said about this from a “big-picture”
standpoint that has not been said yet. In particular, the AERO/OMNI and IP Parcels architecture
uniquely enable fast and efficient large object transports in conjunction with small-message
interactive communications requiring low latency. It does this by allowing large MTU links
(9KB or larger) in edge network data centers while requiring small MTU links (9KB or smaller)
in the core transit network. In that way, end systems can send large objects in IP Parcels that
take advantage of the larger edge network link MTUs, but become fragmented when they
reach an OMNI link ingress node. The fragmentation allows the IP parcel to transit the core
network where there are small MTU links, but without interfering with interactive small message
communications also transiting the core due to fragmentation interleaving. Then, at the far
end the final destination which may also be located in an edge network having large MTU
links can efficiently receive the larger IP Parcels.

This has been known for many decades, but perhaps not widely discussed. Back in 1988
when the DECnet architects were bringing FDDI into the architecture, then even had a name
for it and called it the “dumbbell configuration” (FDDI in edge networks and Ethernet core):

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So, in this dumbbell model, peer end systems located in the rightmost and leftmost FDDI rings
could send IP Parcels up to 4500 bytes and the Ethernet link ingress and egress nodes would
fragment and reassemble. The core would therefore see only 1500 byte and lesser with fair
sharing interleaving between both bulk transfer and interactive communications. Replace the
Ethernet link in the above diagram with a network of networks and configure an OMNI
interface over it, and the same effect can be had using AERO/OMNI and IP Parcels.

This would make for a better and more efficient internetworking service for all supporting
a diversity of services ranging from delay-sensitive interactive communications to short
transactions, to high data rate binary large object transfers with the best properties applied
according to traffic type. It is good for the Internet, therefore AERO/OMNI and IP Parcels
are good and should be adopted.

Fred

From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templin (US), Fred L
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To: Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga) <juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; int-area@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10

FYI, a new draft version is posted with the following updates:

1) Senders encodes the number of segments included in the Jumbo Payload header so receivers
    can accurately determine packaging sizes.

2) Excuses OAL intermediate nodes from having to perform parcel sub-dividing or re-combining.

Fred

From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10


EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments.




Hi all,

As mentioned during the meeting, we will close the call at the end of the IETF 114 week.

If you have any last comments, please speak up.

Best,

Juan Carlos & Wassim

From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga) <juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 2:26 PM
To: int-area@ietf.org<mailto:int-area@ietf.org> <int-area@ietf.org<mailto:int-area@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10
Dear IntArea WG,

We are starting a 2-week call for adoption of the IP-Parcels draft:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10.html

The document has been discussed for some time and it has received multiple comments.

If you have an opinion on whether this document should be adopted by the IntArea WG please indicate it on the list by the end of Wednesday July 6th.

Thanks,

Juan-Carlos & Wassim
(IntArea WG chairs)