Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10
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From: Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com>
To: "Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)" <juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10
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In addition to the other concerns raised so far, I'm also concerned about the parcel's influence on fair scheduling in networks. Given ~80% flows are small (even smaller than a single parcel) and delay sensitive, the parcel may starve these flows and causes poor performance overall. I think rigid simulation and evaluation are needed to verify the idea and understand its implications before adoption. Thanks! Haoyu From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga) Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 2:00 PM To: int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10 Hi all, As mentioned during the meeting, we will close the call at the end of the IETF 114 week. If you have any last comments, please speak up. Best, Juan Carlos & Wassim From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga) <juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:juzuniga=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 2:26 PM To: int-area@ietf.org<mailto:int-area@ietf.org> <int-area@ietf.org<mailto:int-area@ietf.org>> Subject: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10 Dear IntArea WG, We are starting a 2-week call for adoption of the IP-Parcels draft: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-templin-intarea-parcels-10.html<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-templin-intarea-parcels-10.html&data=05%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7C18046541ec244e2c29e908da70c305fb%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637946280258077621%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VR1Ljcw%2FKQ3t81q%2B14SYskyU6%2BDQLbWL0IaINm1bPqQ%3D&reserved=0> The document has been discussed for some time and it has received multiple comments. If you have an opinion on whether this document should be adopted by the IntArea WG please indicate it on the list by the end of Wednesday July 6th. Thanks, Juan-Carlos & Wassim (IntArea WG chairs)
- [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-templin-… Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Richard Li
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Gyan Mishra
- [Int-area] Jumbograms [was: Call for WG adoption … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-area] Jumbograms [was: Call for WG adopt… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Jumbograms [was: Call for WG adopt… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-area] Jumbograms [was: Call for WG adopt… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Int-area] Jumbograms [was: Call for WG adopt… Richard Li
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Robinson, Herbie
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Call for WG ado… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Haoyu Song
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] Call for WG adoption of draft-temp… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for WG adoptio… Templin (US), Fred L
- [Int-area] About draft-templin-intarea-parcels Richard Li
- Re: [Int-area] About draft-templin-intarea-parcels Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] About draft-templin-intarea-parcels Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin… Haoyu Song
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] About draft-templin-intarea-parcels Templin (US), Fred L