[ippm] Call for adoption: milestone on coloring-based loss and delay methodologies

"Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> Thu, 28 April 2016 07:00 UTC

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“Support"

I see particular interrest in the concept of LOSS measurement and have a believe that by itself it should go beyond experimental.
The methods described for Delay and Delay variation fall indeed due to their requirements on the underlying hardware capabilities more in the realm of experimental.

For the operational value of the great work, it may hence be opportune to split out the LOSS measurement as a standard track piece of work and the delay/delay-variation as experimental track.

Kind Regards,
G/

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Gunter Van de Velde
Regional Product Line Manager
IP/Optical Networks, Nokia
gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com<mailto:gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>


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Greetings, all,

We're slowly working our way through the queue of things to do after the Buenos Aires meeting; we'll be making a few confirmations of calls for adoption in the coming days. One of the items for the chairs to consider following our face-to-face discussions is what, if anything, the working group wants to do about "coloring"-based hybrid measurement.

On a review of our charter, we find that a milestone on measurement methodologies, largely as described by draft-tempia-ippm-p3m, is covered by Paragraph 4:

> Additional methods will be defined for the composition and calibration of
> IPPM-defined metrics, as well as active, passive and hybrid measurement
> methods for these metrics. In addition, the WG encourages work which
> describes the applicability of metrics and measurement methods, especially
> to improve understanding of the tradeoffs involved among active, passive,
> and hybrid methods.

We would therefore like to make a call for adoption of the following milestone:

(date TBD): Submit an Experimental draft on coloring-based hybrid measurement methodologies for loss and delay to the IESG

and for the adoption of draft-tempia-ippm-p3m as the basis for a document meeting this milestone. Please indicate support for or concerns about adoption to the ippm@ietf.org mailing list by Friday 29 April 2016.

Please note the IPR disclosure on draft-tempia-ippm-p3m (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2557/) when considering this adoption call.

Larger frameworks for the operational collection and use of metrics produced by such methodologies, however, such as described by draft-chen-ippm-coloring-based-ipfpm-framework, do not appear to be covered under the present charter. Therefore, we can make no call for adoption for an appropriate milestone at this time.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian and Bill, as chairs