Re: [ippm] Call for adoption: milestone on coloring-based loss and delay methodologies

Support this adoption.

Regards,
Sudhin

-----Original Message-----
From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vinayak Hegde
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
Cc: ippm@ietf.org; Brian Trammell <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: [ippm] Call for adoption: milestone on coloring-based loss and delay methodologies

Support adoption.

Thanks
Vinayak

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:
> Agree with Mach and Greg.
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> -Qin
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> Dear Brian, Bill, and all who are interested in IPPM,
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> I support WG adoption of draft-tempia-ippm-p3m as foundation of our 
> work on new active and hybrid performance measurement methods.
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>
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> And I concur with Mach that the current version of 
> draft-chen-ippm-coloring draft is demonstrating applicability of the 
> method described in draft-tempia-ippm-p3m to IP networks in the same 
> manner as draft-mirsky-bier-pmmm-oam demonstrates applicability of the 
> marking method in BIER (Bit-Indexed Explicit Replication) domain.
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>
>
>         Regards,
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>                Greg
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
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> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:10 AM
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> To: Brian Trammell; IETF IPPM WG
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> Subject: Re: [ippm] Call for adoption: milestone on coloring-based 
> loss and delay methodologies
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>
>
> Hi Brian,
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>
>
> Firstly, I support the adoption of draft-tempia-ippm-p3m.
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> BTW, I would argue that draft-chen-ippm-coloring should be in the 
> scope of the current charter.
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>
>> Additional methods will be defined for the composition and 
>> calibration
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>> of IPPM-defined metrics, as well as active, passive and hybrid
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>> measurement methods for these metrics. In addition, the WG encourages
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>> work which describes the applicability of metrics and measurement
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>> methods, especially to improve understanding of the tradeoffs 
>> involved
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>> among active, passive, and hybrid methods.
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>
>
> This is the charter text you quoted, IMHO, the second part is just 
> what draft-chen-ippm-coloring is doing, which defines "the 
> applicability of metrics and measurement methods". It applies the 
> marking-based idea to P2P, P2MP, MP2P scenarios, it also defines how 
> to correlate the metrics from ingress MAs and egress MAs, how to 
> handle packet re-ordering, synchronization, etc., these are 
> fundamental to the marking based loss and delay measurement.
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>
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> As for the "operational collection and use of metrics produced by such 
> methodologies", this actually has been separated to another draft(the 
> IPFIX extension draft).
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> So, I think that daft-chen is in the charter and would hope that the 
> WG would consider to adopt draft-chen as well. I remember that there 
> were quite a lot supports on site during IETF 95th meeting.
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>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mach
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>
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian 
>> Trammell
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>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 9:21 PM
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>> To: IETF IPPM WG
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>> Subject: [ippm] Call for adoption: milestone on coloring-based loss
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>> and delay methodologies
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>>
>
>> Greetings, all,
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>>
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>> We're slowly working our way through the queue of things to do after
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>> the Buenos Aires meeting; we'll be making a few confirmations of 
>> calls
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>> for adoption in the coming days. One of the items for the chairs to
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>> consider following our face-to-face discussions is what, if anything,
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>> the working group wants to do about "coloring"-based hybrid measurement.
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>>
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>> On a review of our charter, we find that a milestone on measurement
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>> methodologies, largely as described by draft-tempia-ippm-p3m, is
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>> covered by Paragraph 4:
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>>
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>> > Additional methods will be defined for the composition and
>
>> > calibration of IPPM-defined metrics, as well as active, passive and
>
>> > hybrid measurement methods for these metrics. In addition, the WG
>
>> > encourages work which describes the applicability of metrics and
>
>> > measurement methods, especially to improve understanding of the
>
>> > tradeoffs involved among active, passive, and hybrid methods.
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>>
>
>> We would therefore like to make a call for adoption of the following
>> milestone:
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>>
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>> (date TBD): Submit an Experimental draft on coloring-based hybrid
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>> measurement methodologies for loss and delay to the IESG
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>>
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>> and for the adoption of draft-tempia-ippm-p3m as the basis for a
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>> document meeting this milestone. Please indicate support for or
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>> concerns about adoption to the ippm at ietf.org mailing list by 
>> Friday 29 April 2016.
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>>
>
>> Please note the IPR disclosure on draft-tempia-ippm-p3m
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>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2557/) when considering this 
>> adoption call.
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>>
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>> Larger frameworks for the operational collection and use of metrics
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>> produced by such methodologies, however, such as described by
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>> draft-chen-ippm-coloring-based-ipfpm-framework, do not appear to be
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>> covered under the present charter. Therefore, we can make no call for
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>> adoption for an appropriate milestone at this time.
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>>
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>> Thanks, cheers,
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>>
>
>> Brian and Bill, as chairs
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>
>
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