Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts
Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> Thu, 11 April 2024 13:56 UTC
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2024 16:56:03 +0300
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Subject: Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts
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Hi, I believe that an asymmetric exchange in STAMP has value, and therefore I support the adoption of this document. I share the concerns raised on this thread regarding the potential of amplification attacks, and I believe this will need to be resolved, but not necessarily before WG adoption. I have the following suggestions about mitigating the amplification concerns: - The security considerations section should be more detailed and discuss the potential for amplification and DDoS attacks, including an upper bound on the order of magnitude of amplification. - The "Number of the Reflected Packets" and "Interval Between the Reflected Packets" should be reconsidered. Maybe consider a way to limit them to a sufficiently small "Number" and large "Interval". - Regarding amplification and how to mitigate it, you may want to take a look at RFC9322 and RFC9326, as we had many discussions about amplification when we were working on these documents. Cheers, Tal. On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 7:37 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hello IPPM, > > This email starts an adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts. This is a document we’ve discussed several times, and is a normative dependency for another document we discussed adopting at IETF 119, draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ext-hdr. > > You can find the draft here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts/ > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts-04.html#name-reflected-test-packet-control > > Please review the draft and respond to this email to indicate if you think IPPM should adopt this document as a working group item. > > This call will last for 3 weeks. Please reply by Tuesday, April 30. > > Best, > Tommy & Marcus > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
- [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-a… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Ernesto Ruffini
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tal Mizrahi
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… xiao.min2
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Footer Foote (Nokia)
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Bjørn Ivar Teigen
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Henrik Nydell (hnydell)
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- [ippm] Re: IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tianran Zhou
- [ippm] Re: IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ip… Tal Mizrahi