Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and BoF
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Tue, 19 February 2013 20:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and BoF
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> wrote: > I'm strongly against canonicalization. The XML canonicalization experience was horrible and resulted in more interop bugs than any other aspect of XML DSIG, XML ENC, etc. Let's not repeat the mistakes of our elders. ;-) > > I also haven't seen a clear use case that canonicalization solves that can't be more easily solved another way. But what were the mistakes? Is canonicalization in and of itself a mistake? Or were the mistakes about how to do it? I personally think that standards should avoid having to canonicalize JSON (and XML) wherever possible. The simplest way to do this is never re-encode in the process of validating signatures, for example. However, I'm not sure that we can always avoid canonicalization, or that even if we can it has no value; I could be convinced. Nico --
- [Json] JSON mailing list and BoF Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Json] Upgrading SHOULD to MUST Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Upgrading SHOULD to MUST Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Upgrading SHOULD to MUST Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Gonzalo Salgueiro
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- [Json] Canonicalization Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Mike Jones
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- [Json] Two lists? [ Was: JSON mailing list and Bo… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] Two lists? [ Was: JSON … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Paul C. Bryan
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Mike Jones
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Paul C. Bryan
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- [Json] Canonicalization vs. comparison Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Riccardo Bernardini
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Francis Galiegue
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Sadayuki Furuhashi
- Re: [Json] Canonicalization Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] [apps-discuss] JSON mailing list and B… Nico Williams
- [Json] msgpack/binarypack (Re: [apps-discuss] JSO… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] msgpack/binarypack (Re: [apps-discuss]… Sadayuki Furuhashi
- Re: [Json] msgpack/binarypack (Re: [apps-discuss]… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)