Re: [Last-Call] New Version Notification for draft-crocker-inreply-react-07.txt

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 26 February 2021 22:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] New Version Notification for draft-crocker-inreply-react-07.txt
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In article <e324f2c4-923c-e1a1-1df4-c65993835f08@bbiw.net> you write:
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>John,
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>On 2/25/2021 9:30 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> This is not like the use of non-ASCII characters in domain
>>> names, because reactions are not used as resource locators.
>>> If a visually confusable emoji is used to replace another, the
>>> reader is not misled into arriving at the wrong resource.
>> No, but the user may be misled.
>
>And they may not.

In every reaction scheme I've seen, from Twitter to Zoom to Slack, you
pick a reaction, and it sends what you told it to send. It's up to the
user sending the reaction to anticipate what the other party will
think of it.

I cannot imagine why we would make this any different.  Send what the
user says to send.

At this point I don't see any compelling reason to limit the reactions
to Unicode emoji and exclude text reactions like :-(

R's,
John