Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-manet-olsrv2-etx-01
David Young <dyoung@pobox.com> Wed, 18 May 2011 20:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-manet-olsrv2-etx-01
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> Am Freitag 13 Mai 2011, 18:46:30 schrieb David Young: > > You can probably derive a much better metric than ETX by tapping into > > information that the rate adaptation collects. More than one 802.11 > > rate adaptation in the literature has tried to optimize the so-called > > goodput of a link by choosing a suitable bitrate for each packet based > > on packet properties such as size. Advantages of collecting information > > from the rate adaptation are that you avoid duplicating any code or > > computational effort, and you collect the information from a more > > suitable (IMO) place in the network stack. All the world's MANETs are > > not built on 802.11, it is true, but the same general principles apply: > > don't needlessly compute the same metric twice, and collect the link > > metric at the most suitable place. > Doing this on one operation system with different wireless cards is hard... > doing it for multiple operation systems and different cards will get you > insane pretty quickly... Let us cross our fingers and hope that each OS provides a uniform API. :-) > If you rely on the rate control, you need to send unicast probing packets to > all of your neighbors regularly if you have no traffic in this direction. It seems to me, too, that that is a problem with using a rate adaptation. One hopes that there are probe packets or else that the inherent background unicast traffic keeps the rate adaptation fresh. I think that having to induce some unicast traffic may be a reasonable trade-off for being able to derive a link metric from the rate adaptation. FWIW, I have lingering doubts whether or not a link metric can be updated or link metrics propagated nearly as quickly as the channel makes a substantial change of state. From N hops away, a single metric for a link may not be nearly as useful in a routing decision as the historical range or distribution of metrics on a link. People have experimented with "opportunistic" routing/forwarding, I think this is why. Dave -- David Young OJC Technologies dyoung@ojctech.com Urbana, IL * (217) 344-0444 x24
- [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-manet-ol… Georg Wittenburg
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Georg Wittenburg
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… David Young
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Georg Wittenburg
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… David Young
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Georg Wittenburg
- Re: [manet] Some comments on draft-funkfeuer-mane… Henning Rogge