Re: [Manycouches] DOGFOOD Virtual BoF

[Alia Atlas <[e-mail]>]

We still have some IETF Boston Hub meetings - Rich Salz  and Dale Worley
have picked up the ball after I dropped it; Ted's been to them.
ietf-africa@ discusses IETF hubs frequently around IETF meetings & they
seem to happen.
India (and there's an India Internet Society now) has an "RFCs We Love"
series and also has been doing a yearly
conference right before the Asian IETF.

Much of this is documented (though old) on the IETF Outreach wiki page.

As it became clear that the work required more than a part-time volunteer &
I became discouraged and had to focus on my
new role/job, I've not kept up.  It's not clear that there's an
organizational appetite to help drive this - and volunteers have
shifting priorities.

regards,
Alia

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:17 PM Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> Hi Ted,
>
> On 11/02/2020 23:52, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > I ran out of bandwidth and dropped it on the floor.  Yes, there was a
> > lot of support, and some good discussion.
>
> Yeah, I suspect support for this kind of thing is
> and will continue to be increasing for good reason.
>
> It is, however, a thing that's easy to drop on the
> floor for anyone, not just you, this not being the
> most urgent reason why anyone is interacting with
> the IETF.
>
> >  If you want to pick it
> > up, that would be cool.   One thing to think about is, is the right
> > way to do this to try to talk IETF leadership into doing it, or would
> > it work better to just start getting working groups to do their work
> > online and not in person, and just not meet at IETF in-person
> > meetings, or only at one designated meeting per year.
> >
> > The problem is that the IETF leadership may not be able to see the
> > problem clearly because it’s so far outside of the scope of standard
> > operating procedure, and convincing them to take the lead on this
> > probably won’t work—it hasn’t in the past.
>
> I'd not be so harsh on the IESG, the poor things:-)
> When you and I were on that, we were the same people
> but probably just busy with other stuff. But...
>
> >  So can we instead lead
> > by simply being smart about our own behavior as IETF participants?
>
> Yes, that I agree with.
>
> WRT satellite meetings, there have been some in the past,
> but TBH I don't recall many details.
>
> Alvaro Retana was involved in some in the run up to
> the IETF meeting in Argentina, where various folks from
> South America used to get together when IETF meetings
> happened.
>
> I think SM and/or some other folks in Mauritius have had
> satellite meetings where they had a bunch of folks with
> relatively commensurate interests.
>
> I vaguely think Kathleen Moriarty was involved in some
> such Boston-area meeting a good while back.
>
> And all the above-named were once on this list I think,
> and I even cc'd 'em, so they can explain it all:-)
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> PS: There were pros and cons to satellite meetings, it's
> not all great, but does offer a road to some of the
> benefits Nick aims for.
>
>
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Nick Doty
> >> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Apologies that I’m coming to this conversation belatedly.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 10, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Ted Lemon <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> At IETF we had a bar BoF which hopefully quite a few people on
> >>> this mailing list attended.   At the BoF we had a round table
> >>> discussion about what peoples ideas were for getting the IETF
> >>> into a new mode of operation that makes better use of the
> >>> technology we’ve developed, rather than requiring in-person
> >>> meetings as a driver for getting work done.
> >>>
> >>> At the BoF we agreed to have a virtual BoF online in about a
> >>> month.   It’s about two weeks before the deadline for that, so I
> >>> wanted to have a quick discussion about what to do at this BoF
> >>> before announcing it.  Because this is not an IETF working group,
> >>> the usual notification requirements don’t technically apply, but
> >>> on a practical level I think two weeks notice is just as
> >>> necessary for a virtual BoF as for a virtual interim, so I’m
> >>> going to ask the secretariat to announce it the same way.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to try out some of the stuff that Wes talked about
> >>> in his presentation at HotRFC: rather than just doing a normal
> >>> BoF, I’d like to see if we can use existing tools to achieve some
> >>> of what Wes described.   We will still want to do some online
> >>> video discussion, but I’d also like to try using a Wiki and an
> >>> interim-only mailing list as the primary communication method,
> >>> and do the BoF over two days to give us time to participate in
> >>> the way Wes described.   This may fail miserably or may go
> >>> well—we can only find out by trying.
> >>>
> >>> If we go ahead with this, one of the things I will ask is that
> >>> you add to the Wiki your recollection of what you said in the bar
> >>> BoF.   I at least didn’t take notes, and I don’t think Wes did
> >>> either, but I think there was a lot of useful stuff exchanged
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody object to this approach?   If I don’t hear loud
> >>> objections, I’ll set up a wiki and ask people to work on it; I’d
> >>> like it if we could do that work before the interim so that at
> >>> the interim we can talk about it and form some ideas for
> >>> experimentation.
> >>
> >> Catching up on the thread it looks like there was a lot of support
> >> for this idea. Was there a wiki set up and the tools/ideas tracked
> >> somewhere?
> >>
> >> I think part of responding to the climate crisis — and being
> >> prepared for the impacts of the climate crisis and responses that
> >> others will take to encourage mitigation of the climate crisis — is
> >> practicing conducting useful meetings without all having to be
> >> physically co-located. One idea I’ve heard proposed is regional
> >> satellite meetings. I’d be happy to hop on a train to join a
> >> US/East satellite meeting that could have a few conference rooms
> >> and some nice videoconference software to the other regional
> >> ietf1XX satellites, rather than flying to a different continent on
> >> a regular basis. That it would be much cheaper financially would
> >> also make such meetings more accessible to recovering academics
> >> like myself, and could serve our goals of encouraging more new
> >> participation and participation from outside well-resourced
> >> companies.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to learning more from you all. Cheers, Nick
> >
> >
> >
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