[MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document
Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com> Wed, 30 July 2008 17:47 UTC
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At the meeting today, we discussed at length the issues around adding <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-miniero-mediactrl-escs-02.txt >, "Media Control Channel Framework (CFW) Call Flow Examples" as a work group item. To recap: 1. Just about everyone stated it is extremely useful to have call flows. a. Important for us as protocol developers to debug the specification, e.g., "Oops - we forgot that message" b. Important for some developers with interpretation of the specifications c. Important for interoperability testing 2. Many people pointed out call flow documents have their drawbacks. a. Some people will code to the call flows and not to the specification. i. If the call flows are wrong, the developer will code the wrong thing. ii. Call flows cannot capture the nuances of the protocol, such as non-deterministic message order or legal, but not shown in a call flow, messages that pop up b. When people see a call flow document, they may not read the specification at all. c. When people see a Work Group *draft*, they may consider it to be a stable, authoritative reference. It would be safe to say that no matter what we decide here, there will be a call flows document. The questions to decide are: 1. What document(s) will we produce? Will we produce: a. A basic call flows document, illustrating some examples of how the protocol works (see draft-ietf-sipping-service- examples-15 for an example) b. A torture test document, illustrating examples of malformed messages or messages seriously out of order, that stacks must not barf on (see RFC 4475 for an example) c. A test suite document, describing how to achieve interoperability (see http://www.msforum.org/techinfo/approved/MSF-IA-SIP.015-FINAL.pdf) d. A plurality of a, b, or c e. All of a, b, and c Note all call flow documents are Informational (not Normative) by definition. 2. Will the work group produce these documents? No matter what, individuals from the work group will write the document(s), and people in the work group (many have already volunteered) will review the document(s). a. Do they need to be Work Group documents? b. Is it OK for them to be Individual documents, for now. Please RSVP with your views on the above questions. Thanks.
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- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Eric Burger
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Mary Barnes
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Janet P Gunn
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Even, Roni
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document spromano
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Dan York
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Even, Roni
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] Call Flows Document Lorenzo Miniero