Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111
Dan Olivares <dcolivares@gmail.com> Mon, 23 February 2009 17:44 UTC
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Theres another datapoint to add to this. As far as I know, the only other effort within the IETF with regards to content protection was a working group called ietf-idrm which was chartered to come up with a universally acceptable DRM scheme. It had some big names including: Eberhard Becker, University of Dortmund Dan Boneh, Stanford University Karlheinz Brandenburg, Fraunhofer Institute for Integrated Circuits Leonardo Chiariglione, CSELT Drew Dean, Xerox PARC Joan Feigenbaum, Yale University Edward Felten, Princeton University Yair Frankel, eCash Technologies Markus Jakobsson, Bell Labs Paul Kocher, Cryptography Research John Manferdelli, Microsoft Research Kevin McCurley, IBM Research Moni Naor, Weizmann Institute Fabien Petitcolas, Microsoft Research Pamela Samuelson, University of California, Berkeley Hal Varian, University of California, Berkeley Moti Yung, CertCo Unfortunately, it was shut down in 2003 because nobody could agree(http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/ietf-idrm/2003-February.txt ) and eventually it became dormant. From a cursory glance, the archives seem to say that DRM means different things to different people, and seems to be one of those topics where 'you can't please everyone'. It also seems to state that usually, today, DRM schemes are 'licensed' technology and not 'standardized' because this allows them to be a 'black box'. In any case, it might be useful to look at the arguments from that RG( Archive: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/ietf-idrm/ ) and see how we can avoid a similar fate. Best Regards Dan On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, dyerbrookme@juno.com <dyerbrookme@juno.com> wrote: >>My model can coexist with copyright-based models, provided I can > opt my content out of any DRM system. > > With a DRM system like c/m/t being conveyed, you check off c/m/t if you want full perms to be distributed *shrugs*. That's all. Transporting the metadata of c/m/t -- or no c/m/t and demanding a regime to implement it does not preclude you from "opting out" by...checking off c/m/t. Why would you think that the act of having to check off c/m/t to get full perms, so that others who *do not* want to check them off and wish to make a living not through consulting but by object sales would somehow preclude your full-perms distribution? Makes no sense, again, except as an ideological demand. > > There has been no scientific, peer-reviewed study of whether the 8 generatives really made a living for anyone already funded; it's one of those anecdotal things that a few people spread the memes, and it becomes an urban legend. > > ____________________________________________________________ > All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygKNVW1HREvNOugCwPyNMUs5PLdtGtWcrNSmwzGnPBZITpGTbdm/ > _______________________________________________ > mmox mailing list > mmox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmox >
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Jon Watte
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Kajikawa Jeremy
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 111 Kajikawa Jeremy