Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human language draft discussion
Randall Gellens <randy@qti.qualcomm.com> Mon, 11 March 2013 12:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human language draft discussion
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At 7:47 AM +0100 3/11/13, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote: > On 2013-03-11 00:30, Randall Gellens wrote: >> At 10:31 PM +0100 3/10/13, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote: >> >>> On 2013-03-10 23:02, Randall Gellens wrote: >>>> If possible, I think it may be better to keep service >>>> negotiation distinct from language negotiation. Otherwise >>>> things get very complex. >>>> >>> That was just a use case. >>> >>> Do you mean that we should divide it like this: >>> >>> Imagined example in a call from A to B. >>> A prefer to talk English, and A has some capability to talk French >>> A Prefers to talk, but A is capable of typing >>> A Needs to get text in English or French >>> A has some benefit of getting spoken English or French, but A >>> cannot accept that as the only channel for language perception. >>> >>> A wants to have a conversation with B who declares only an >>> ability to talk and understand spoken French. >>> >>> An evaluation of the needs, preferences and capabilities of A >>> and B would result in that the call is not possible because we >>> have common capabilities only in the direction from A to the B. >>> In the return path, from B to A, the only option it to receive >>> spoken French from the B, while A is depending on getting written >>> English or Written French. >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> This information can then be used in a separate service request >>> for getting a service C that adds rapid conversion of spoken >>> French to typed French in the path from A to B, still letting the >>> spoken French also pass over to A. >> >> >> It's very easy to add complexity in order to solve more aspects of >> the problem. I think we need to work very hard to keep this >> mechanism, at least initially, very simple. >> > Yes, so I suggest that we now add a number of use cases, both > simple and complex and then sort out which cases can be covered > without getting lost in complexity. I agree that the document needs to be more detailed and more clear on the problem it is solving and the use cases it is targeting. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- 1. If reproducibility may be a problem, conduct the test only once. 2. If a straight line fit is required, obtain only two data points.
- Re: [MMUSIC] Orlando time for human language draf… Randall Gellens
- [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human languag… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Orlando time for human language draf… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Orlando time for human language draf… Eric Burger
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human lan… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-hum… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-hum… Gunnar Hellstrom
- [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-human-l… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-hum… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-hum… Randall Gellens
- Re: [MMUSIC] draft-gellens-mmusic-negotiating-hum… Gunnar Hellstrom
- [MMUSIC] Toronto time for human language draft di… Randall Gellens