Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human language draft discussion

[Gunnar Hellstrom <[e-mail]>]

On 2013-03-10 23:02, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 9:27 PM +0100 3/10/13, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote:
>>  Yes, it will be a balance between complexity and usefulness.
>>  Too little complexity - not sufficient to express the common cases.
>>  Too much complexity - No one will bother registering their profile.
>>
>>  I see a need to declare and negotiate need, preference and 
>> capability to use different languages and modalities, and the 
>> declaration need to be directional.
>>
>>  Imagined example:
>>  I prefer to talk English, and I have some capability to talk French
>>  I Prefer to talk, but I am capable of typing
>>  I Need to get text in English or French
>>  I have some benefit of getting spoken English or French, but I 
>> cannot accept that as the only channel for language perception.
>>
>>  If I want to have a conversation with someone who only has an audio 
>> terminal, and can talk and understand spoken French, an evaluation of 
>> our needs would insert a captioned telephony service in French in the 
>> call typing a French transcription of the spoken French my callee 
>> talks to me.
>
> If possible, I think it may be better to keep service negotiation 
> distinct from language negotiation.  Otherwise things get very complex.
>
That was just a use case.

Do you mean that we should divide it like this:

  Imagined example in a call from A to B.
  A prefer to talk English, and A has some capability to talk French
  A Prefers to talk, but A is capable of typing
  A Needs to get text in English or French
  A has some benefit of getting spoken English or French, but A cannot 
accept that as the only channel for language perception.

  A wants to have a conversation with B who declares only an ability to 
talk and understand spoken French.

An evaluation of the needs, preferences and capabilities of A and B 
would result in that the call is not possible because we have common 
capabilities only in the direction from A to the B.
In the return path, from B to A, the only option it to receive spoken 
French from the B, while A is depending on getting written English or 
Written French.

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This information an then be used in a separate service request for 
getting a service C that adds rapid conversion of spoken French to typed 
French in the path from A to B, still letting the spoken French also 
pass over to A.

Gunnar
>
>>>>
>>>>>    > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>   From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] 
>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>   Of Harald Alvestrand
>>>>>>   Sent: 10 March 2013 15:07
>>>>>>   To: Randall Gellens
>>>>>>   Cc: Ari Keranen; [e-mail]; Alexey Melnikov; Gunnar 
>>>>>> Hellstrom; DRAGE,
>>>>>>   Keith (Keith); Peter Saint-Andre; 
>>>>>> [e-mail];
>>>>>>   Flemming Andreasen; Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) Tschofenig; Peter 
>>>>>> Saint-Andre;
>>>>>>   Brian Rosen; [e-mail]
>>>>>>   Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Update on Orlando time for human language 
>>>>>> draft
>>>>>>   discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Sorry for barging in late on this thread, but quick questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   - what's the right mailing list to post to on this one?
>>>>>>   - have everyone read RFC 3282 (the standalone "accept-language" 
>>>>>> spec)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Seems to me the desired semantic is more accept-language than
>>>>>>   content-language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 03/10/2013 03:38 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>>>>>   > Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   > Thursday lunch (11:30-1:00) it is.  I'll make a reservation 
>>>>>> at The
>>>>>>   > Tropicale (the cafe in the Caribe Royal hotel attached to the
>>>>>>   > convention center).  Please let me know if you can make it so 
>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>   > make sure we have a large enough table.
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   > Thank you.
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   >>  Hi everyone,
>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>   >>  It looks like Thursday lunch (11:30-1:00) works well for 
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>   >> who has responded so far.  Let's plan on that for now.
>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>   >>  At 9:35 AM -0700 3/9/13, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>   >>>   It looks like Thursday lunch would
>>>>>>   >>>   work well.
>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>   >>>   On 3/5/13 4:47 AM, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>>>>>   >>>>   Hi all,
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>   I created a Doodle poll to see if we can find a time in 
>>>>>> Orlando
>>>>>>   >>>> to meet
>>>>>>   >>>>   face to face.
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>   Doodle poll for time at Orlando to discuss open issues 
>>>>>> and moving
>>>>>>   >>>>   forward with Human Language Negotiation:
>>>>>>   >>>> http://doodle.com/uwedikez6etwsf39
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>   Link to current version (-02) of draft:
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gellens-negotiating-human-
>>>>>>   language-02.txt
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>   >>  --
>>>>>>   >>  Randall Gellens
>>>>>>   >>  Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for 
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>   only
>>>>>>   >>  -------------- Randomly selected tag: ---------------
>>>>>>   >>  A child of five would understand this.  Send somebody to
>>>>>>   >>  fetch a child of five.        --Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup"
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   >
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