Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE DISCUSION: Always mandate mechanism to map received data to m- line?

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Tue, 25 June 2013 14:48 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE DISCUSION: Always mandate mechanism to map received data to m- line?
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Hi,

> I started this issue, so I'll make my case again.
>
> There must be a reason to have multiple m-lines in the bundle. (If there isn't, leave them out, and then maybe you won't need bundle at all.)
>
> I assert that in all cases that reason can't be realized without being able to associate packets with the corresponding m-line.

The reason for having m- lines could be because different characteristics (bandwidth, priority etc) is requested from the NETWORK, while the endpoint application that receive the data might not care which m- line it belongs to.

> The exception to this are those packets that deal only with those aspects of the bundle that are common. The most obvious example 
> of this is ICE. But if *all* packets are common to all the m-lines then there is no reason for the bundle.

Correct. For ICE we explicitly say that the STUN messages apply to the whole BUNDLE group.

Regards,

Christer




On 6/25/13 7:16 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There has been some discussions about whether BUNDLE should mandate 
> that users are mandated to *always* (no matter what transport 
> protocols are used in the BUNDLE group) have a mechanism to map 
> received data to an m- line, or whether it from a generic BUNDLE 
> perspective should be optional - IF there would be cases where it's not needed.
>
> We haven't had that much discussion about it yet, so I will not ask a 
> DECISION question at this point, but I would really like to get some 
> input from people who have opinions about this :)
>
> Note that this issue is NOT about HOW to map data to m- lines (there 
> will be a separate question about how to map RTP to m- lines etc), or 
> whether we should allow usage of the same PT value (for the same codec
> configuration) in multiple m- lines, but more about a general rule.
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
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