Re: [Moq] Charter adjustment

Hi Ali,

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM Ali C. Begen <ali.begen@networked.media>
wrote:

> Ted,
>
> My suggestion still stands as follows:
>
> The working group will define MoQ so that the media publication protocol
> can leverage middleboxes such as relays, caches and replication points
> wherever applicable to improve the delivery performance.
>
> Again, “on-path” is not needed IMO. Further, I still dont want to limit
> ourselves to only relays.
>
>
I think the point of "on-path" is to indicate that we're talking about the
boxes through which some or all of the flow delivered to the recipient will
pass.  It may not be the same set of boxes for the whole flow (depending on
cache fill properties or client mobility).  We're not talking about, say,
making the relevant DNS look-ups faster.  If you have a different phrase
that captures that, I think we can discuss that, but I think for scope
reasons that we need something there.

The current text already says relays and caches, so your forumation adds
"replication points"--can you say in more detail what you mean there and
how it would differ from the other two?

For the same scope reason, I would not suggest having "leverage
middleboxes" as a bare statement--there's too much disagreement on what
that set might contain and what "leverage" might mean in practice (as the
discussion about transcoding showed).  I think we're better off narrowing
the set that we are aiming to include as design elements (even optional
ones), while recognizing that there will be other boxes in play in some
deployments no matter what we do.

regards,

Ted

> -acbegen
>
> > On Jul 21, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Folks seemed fairly happy with the idea of adjusting this text:
> >
> > "The MOQ architecture will allow for the use of optional relays as first
> class elements of the design.  The media publication protocol can leverage
> on-path relays/caches wherever applicable to improve the media quality."
> >
> > to this text:
> >
> > "The working group will define MoQ so that the media publication
> protocol can leverage on-path relays/caches wherever applicable to improve
> the delivery performance."
> >
> > If anyone objects to this change, please say so on the list; otherwise,
> I will adjust in the copy of the charter we review at the BoF (currently
> https://github.com/moq-wg/moq-charter/pull/49).
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Ted
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