Re: [mpls] Thoughts on Ancillary Data Indicators.
Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Sat, 10 July 2021 18:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Thoughts on Ancillary Data Indicators.
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John, Tou are right, this is an alternative. However I tried not prescribe solutions, but address what we will require form such solutions. It has be pointed out that I partly failed to dp and sometimes assumed a solution. It should be noted the the text is for discussion and improvement. /Loa On 08/07/2021 15:28, John E Drake wrote: > Loa, > > Another possibility is to have an FAI special purpose label in which the TTL/TC bits are intact followed by another label in which the TTL/TC bits are also intact but in which the twenty bit label field has been turned into a set of twenty bit flags. > > Yours Irrespectively, > > John > > > Juniper Business Use Only > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Loa Andersson >> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 5:11 AM >> To: mpls@ietf.org >> Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; DetNet >> Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org> >> Subject: [mpls] Thoughts on Ancillary Data Indicators. >> >> [External Email. Be cautious of content] >> >> >> Design Team, >> >> We have discussed how to carry ancillary data in in an MPLS packet and how to >> include indicators on the presences of such data in the label stack since the >> design team started. I think we have some convergence and that it is time to >> float an idea that could be the basis for a consensus. Please note that the actual >> consensus call will be made on the mpls wg mailing list, while this is for >> discussion preparing such a consensus call in the design team. >> >> The proposals we have for indicators often rely on assignment of a base special >> purpose label. The number of such labels are limited. >> >> I think we can agree on the following: >> >> - We want to limit the number of new assignments of base special purpose >> labels as much as possible >> >> - We have a standardized associated channel, the GAL/GACH. We are not >> going to change the associated channel. The associated will remain as >> specified in RFC 5586. The ACH is found immediately after the label >> carrying the Bottom of Stack (BoS) bit. >> >> - We therefore need a (base) special purpose label to serve as the >> forwarding action indicator carrier. >> >> - It is attractive to "re-purpose" the ELI to also fill the role as a >> general (generic?) forwarding action indicator. This may be done by >> using the TTL and TC fields of the ELI as flags indicating which >> service is requested. >> >> However, in order to do this it must be shown that there is no >> potential interference between the normal service supplied by the >> ELI/EL and the services indicated by the flags. >> >> - If we can't demonstrate the non-interference then we should assign >> specific forwarding indicator action base special purpose label and >> leave the ELI/EL unchanged. >> >> - The flag field of the re-purposed ELI of the the specially assigned >> forwarding action indicator label must be made extendable. These >> labels "only" have 11 bits (8 bit TTL and 3 bit TC fields) that can >> be used as flags. Already in the very preliminary discussions we have >> had so far are almost using all the 11 bits, making the it necessary >> to make the indicator extendable. >> >> /Loa >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu >> Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com >> Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@ietf.org >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls__;!! >> NEt6yMaO-gk!TT41je-3_SvAKNifs5hqIDE9r8daiUPp6rJSGPeoxwsM10P_yX- >> zttu4FhZtw6E$ -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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