Re: [mpls] Thoughts on Ancillary Data Indicators.

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Hi Loa,

1 clarification question.

> - The flag field of the re-purposed ELI of the the specially assigned
>    forwarding action indicator label must be made extendable. These
>    labels "only" have 11 bits (8 bit TTL and 3 bit TC fields) that can
>    be used as flags. Already in the very preliminary discussions we have
>    had so far are almost using all the 11 bits, making the it necessary
>    to make the indicator extendable.

Do you mean 11 possible use of a flag, or 11 simultaneous use of the 11 flags within one network?
Given that MPLS is used within a trusted administrative domain, the semantic of these bits could be defined on a per administrative domain basis. This could allow for the definition/standardization of 10s of usages, with the restriction of only allowing 11 running within on AS/network.

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:11 AM
> 
> Design Team,
> 
> We have discussed how to carry ancillary data in  in an MPLS packet and
> how to include indicators on the presences of such data in the label
> stack since the design team started. I think we have some convergence
> and that it is time to float an idea that could be the basis for a
> consensus. Please note that the actual consensus call will be made on
> the mpls wg mailing list, while this is for discussion preparing such a
> consensus call in the design team.
> 
> The proposals we have for indicators often rely on assignment of a base
> special purpose label. The number of such labels are limited.
> 
> I think we can agree on the following:
> 
> - We want to limit the number of new assignments of base special purpose
>    labels as much as possible
> 
> - We have a standardized associated channel, the GAL/GACH. We are not
>    going to change the associated channel. The associated will remain as
>    specified in RFC 5586. The ACH is found immediately after the label
>    carrying the Bottom of Stack (BoS) bit.
> 
> - We therefore need a (base) special purpose label to serve as the
>    forwarding action indicator carrier.
> 
> - It is attractive to "re-purpose" the ELI to also fill the role as a
>    general (generic?) forwarding action indicator. This may be done by
>    using the TTL and TC fields of the ELI as flags indicating which
>    service is requested.
> 
>    However, in order to do this it must be shown that there is no
>    potential interference between the normal service supplied by the
>    ELI/EL and the services indicated by the flags.
> 
> - If we can't demonstrate the non-interference then we should assign
>    specific forwarding indicator action base special purpose label and
>    leave the ELI/EL unchanged.
> 
> - The flag field of the re-purposed ELI of the the specially assigned
>    forwarding action indicator label must be made extendable. These
>    labels "only" have 11 bits (8 bit TTL and 3 bit TC fields) that can
>    be used as flags. Already in the very preliminary discussions we have
>    had so far are almost using all the 11 bits, making the it necessary
>    to make the indicator extendable.
> 
> /Loa
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu
> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa.pi.nu@gmail.com
> Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64

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