Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recommended IETF YANG Model Structure
Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Wed, 13 July 2016 09:38 UTC
Return-Path: <rwilton@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D777112D69F for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:38:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -15.809
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HqRjBy1AA0PN for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:38:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1141012D0E7 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1104; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468402733; x=1469612333; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+8LZqZpcVtrc3v7vIgnLqgyjZ2zusdmyk8hJgJPz1zU=; b=htiiEB9bxLlaFxCQmKjqJoPW8L+fmdg8ZvWtXtB0njWKNU9u6J3GKyDg tJ2T205aYBHMpAQJkt4g5Pr6pySaOYWi+SdfZ+7S9OeWbwBPsgBw4vnrV FCWg0/0aa8wMXL1g+YVdO+tcjdZQ0vLIoqcYt7YYQfHVEdaxgqOgGFTQZ 4=;
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0C9CgA2C4ZX/xbLJq1chD63ToIPgXqGGAKBaRQBAQEBAQEBZSeEXQEFOFELEgYuSQ4GDQgBAYgsv3EBAQEBAQEBAwEBAQEBIoYqgXgIgk2KHAEEmRyOVwKJTYVgkBceNoNyO4lpAQEB
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,356,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="678240309"
Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Jul 2016 09:38:51 +0000
Received: from [10.63.23.50] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-50.cisco.com [10.63.23.50]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6D9cpMO005011 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:38:51 GMT
To: netmod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
References: <D3A935F0.6A4DC%acee@cisco.com> <02b5661f-22e0-6ccc-89d2-ef0370c4e87c@labn.net> <CABCOCHSH5wC3-VbAF6tXOc+3tSxpC3a0MA23YEkUFEBojoo25w@mail.gmail.com> <2b35a279-3c13-8b39-6e93-6c5e9d3ba2c2@cisco.com> <CABCOCHTOEY4dZM+bduWZ5N-k8dB_uO8=mdqtYQV0ktC6-TPyBw@mail.gmail.com> <3deb9416-e012-e8e3-43e2-be0d090a707a@cisco.com> <CABCOCHSnWaiUPqtpQpND0m3WYy6aYOTJJfJNEe5295bttuy_zw@mail.gmail.com> <D3AAA2CF.6B279%acee@cisco.com> <CABCOCHSa5ECo-j42uMFCqQOU7hUf4qYiDACu+269zd9Rgthafg@mail.gmail.com> <20160712190709.GA36335@elstar.local>
From: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <98957467-aa5a-b960-a45f-4f6f42a349c5@cisco.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:38:50 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <20160712190709.GA36335@elstar.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/tI69nXZDYr99-QkJxpJClkjJsXc>
Subject: Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recommended IETF YANG Model Structure
X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/>
List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:38:55 -0000
On 12/07/2016 20:07, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > I think it is worth to step back for a moment and to think about where > we like to be in 5 or 10 years from now when we discuss architectural > questions. RW: This makes sense, if we can do it in parallel to making progress on the opstate discussions. In particular, I think that IETF needs to very quickly resolve any open issues that are preventing WGs from publishing standard YANG models (e.g. the config/state split). Delaying this risks making the IETF YANG models some what obsolete (at least in some parts of the market) before they are published. Not necessarily directly related, but my understanding is that the way that some of the OpenConfig operators are intending to configure and manage networks is quite different from how networks have been historically managed. I think that writing up this architecture as an Information draft would likely benefit individuals who are trying to understand the proposed changes to NETCONF/YANG and what those changes are trying to achieve. Rob > > /js >
- [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recommended… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Rob Shakir
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Balazs Lengyel
- [netmod] OpsState and Schema-Mount Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- [netmod] Corollary to [OpsState Direction Impact … Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… thomas nadeau
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Rob Shakir
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] OpsState Direction Impact on Recomme… Andy Bierman