Re: [Netslices] draft-qiang-netslices-gap-analysis-00 Uploaded

"qiangli (D)" <qiangli3@huawei.com> Tue, 06 June 2017 06:48 UTC

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Hi Med,

Thank you very much for your comment, I will try to reply you inline.

Best regards,

Cristina QIANG

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Hi Cristina,

Thank you for sharing the draft. Please find below some comments, fwiw:

(1) Section 4.2.1 mentions the following:


"the [SLA-Exchange<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-qiang-netslices-gap-analysis-00#ref-SLA-Exchange>] can be used to
   negotiate the SLAs and report on SLA events.  Further analysis is
   needed to provide a complete package.
"


Actually, this is not possible with [SLA-Exchange] given that document says explicitly: "The SLA negotiation and assurance is outside the scope of this document."

[Cr] [SLA-Exchange](i.e., draft-ietf-idr-sla-exchange-10.txt) provides an in-band method to exchange the SLA parameters, and then by the receiving devices to translate SLA in technical specific provisioning languages. Our statement is indeed not accurate enough, [SLA-Exchange] could be a potential solution that INDIRECTLY implements the SLA negotiation IMHO. But also as this draft says "There does not exist any standard protocol to translate SLA agreements into technical clauses and configurations", this is a technical gap we are facing now.

(2) Section 4.2.2. says the following:


   The NSRS requirement for reachability, direction, bandwidth

   requirements, performance metrics, traffic isolation constraints, and

   flow identification can be built utilizing protocol which can perform

   operations (read, write, notification, actions (aka rpcs)) on a yang

   service layer that supports these traffic engineer and resource

   definition at the service layers.  The network slicing service data

   model can extend existing work in the TEAS and I2RS working group for

   protocol-independent topology models.  These models support

   configuration or the dynamic datastores defined in [NMDA<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-qiang-netslices-gap-analysis-00#ref-NMDA>] which will

   be abbreviated as NMDA in this section.  This section provides the

   detail on how the NSRS can be built from these models and the

   RESTCONF protocol.

I'm a little bit puzzled here given that the NSRS is not about interacting with underlying network nodes. Especially, I'm not sure to understand the discussion about "protocol which can perform operations (read, write, notification, actions (aka rpcs))" in this context.


(3) Table 2:



·         Putting aside what is meant by "NS state monitoring", is there any particular reason "Mechanism/protocols for NS state monitoring;" is listed under NSRS? This is IMHO more an OAM issue.


[Cr] monitoring state (i.e. including monitoring of the resource  network functions usage) would require explicit probes dynamically configure and set up based on new mechanism. At such monitoring state and its configuration is a special and key part of the capability exposure. IMHO such monitoring is a key features which is currently not available - it is a gap.


·         Item "8) Mechanisms for on-demand, isolated, elastic and efficient network slice instantiation and resource association" is mysterious. I failed to find where that item is discussed in Section 6.



[Cr] The second paragraph of Sec. 6.1 simply discusses this point. The relevant discussion could be enhanced in next version.



·         I'm not sure to understand what is meant by "10) Mechanisms for customized network slices".

·         Items 12 and 13 are not related to NS identification. Further, those are not discussed in the corresponding section.



[Cr] Item 12, NS identification is essential for determining/discovering the corresponding network slice for coming flows, OAM operations, etc. ; Item 13, the E2E repository for NS includes the mechanisms for name of NS translations when needed.  The relevant discussion will be enhanced in next version.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

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Dear All,



We have upload "Gap Analysis for Network Slicing" draft 00 on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-qiang-netslices-gap-analysis/?include_text=1

Your comments and reviews are greatly appreciated.



Abstract:

   This document presents network slicing differentiation from the non-

   partition network or from simply partition of connectivity resources.

   It lists 15 standardization gaps related to 6 key requirements for

   network slicing.  It also presents an analysis of existing related

   work and other potential solutions on network slicing.



   This gap analysis document aims to provide a basis for future works

   in network slicing.

Best regards,

Co-authors