Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft
Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org> Sat, 30 March 2019 13:35 UTC
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From: Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft
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This is the second message to Daniel Franke. On Fri 2019-03-29T21:59:28-0700 Steve Allen hath writ: > > While neither TAI nor UTC is formally defined for any date > > earlier than the epoch, this nit is routinely ignored by allowing the > > day number to be negative and by assuming the fiction that prior to > > 1958 Earth's rotation was always perfectly regular with respect to > > proper time. > > Which epoch? POSIX epoch? > Any date at which there is general agreement among all parties > about when it happened is an epoch. Please be specific and > never use merely "the epoch". To expand on my objection here, I find these sentences to be unconnectable to any concrete concepts. There is a common strategy in time scales which are trying to be a precision time scale now, but which also wish to extend themselves simply to an era before there was precision. As such time scales are extended backwards in time there is some past epoch at which the scale switches tracks and connects itself to just plain Universal Time. So such time scales are counting SI seconds now, but going into the past they switch to counting mean solar seconds. They do not presume that the mean solar seconds were perfectly regular, they just change from one kind of second to the other. For radio broadcast time signals the change happened 1972-01-01 because that is what the CCIR said in Recommendation 460. For Microsoft Windows the change happened 2018-06-01 because that is what Microsoft said is the date that they begin to distribute TAI offset from UTC so that Windows boxes can count subsequent leap seconds. -- Steve Allen <sla@ucolick.org> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Steve Allen
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Steve Allen
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Daniel Franke
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Daniel Franke
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Daniel Franke
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Daniel Franke
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Daniel Franke
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Tony Finch
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Tony Finch
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Tony Finch
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Kurt Roeckx
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Watson Ladd
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Watson Ladd
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Warner Losh
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Watson Ladd
- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Watson Ladd
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- Re: [Ntp] Leap second draft Martin Burnicki
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