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Re: [Ntp] WGLC: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp

"Dieter Sibold" <dsibold.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 11 December 2018 19:17 UTC

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From: Dieter Sibold <dsibold.ietf@gmail.com>
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: ntp@ietf.org, Marcus Dansarie <marcus@dansarie.se>
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] WGLC: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp
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thanks for clarification.

Dieter Sibold
dsibold.ietf@gmail.com

On 11 Dec 2018, at 20:16, Salz, Rich wrote:

> Yes, leave the SHALL.  IF a client goes outside the "boundary" because 
> it knows it is safe to do so, that is okay.
>
> On 12/11/18, 2:13 PM, "Dieter Sibold" <dsibold.ietf@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Rich,
>     I’m not sure if I got your right. Are you arguing to leave the 
> SHALL
>     as it is?
>     - Dieter
>
>
>     Dieter Sibold
>     dsibold.ietf@gmail.com
>
>     On 11 Dec 2018, at 19:38, Salz, Rich wrote:
>
>     >     > There may be some (weird) cases where a user wishes to 
> manually
>     >     > instruct
>     >     > their NTP client to use the received cookies with a 
> different
>     > NTP
>     >     > server. I also believe SHALL should be reserved for cases 
> where
>     >     > non-compliance could cause security issues or cause the 
> protocol
>     > to
>     >     > break. This is not an important issue for me, however, and 
> I'll
>     > be
>     >     > perfectly happy even if this isn't included.
>     >
>     > SHALL isn't just for security issues, it's for "what is required 
> for
>     > interop."
>     >
>     > Leaving the SHALL NOT share cookies is the right thing to do, 
> and a
>     > client if it wants to share cookies with another server and it 
> knows
>     > that it is okay, is free to do so.
>
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