Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D
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Hiya, Thanks all for the good GCM-related discussion. As can be seen from the posts so far, there are good and relevant arguments to be made for and against inclusion of GCM in our spec. As co-chair, it'd help at least me, if, as well as expressing opinions as to preferred outcomes and reasons-why, people could try suggest ways in which we can decide this topic. (There's no rush to call consensus on that, but it could be someone has a good idea about how we might best make that call, so I'm getting my "ask" in early:-) Thanks again, and please do continue the discussion, S.
- [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-r… internet-drafts
- Re: [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-cryp… Paul Wouters
- [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was: I-D… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks on th… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks o… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD and R… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Stephen Farrell