Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Wed, 15 June 2022 10:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:27, Justus Winter said: > If you had all that consensus in the WG back then, maybe you should > have actually produced a revision to RFC4880? Rfc4880bis-10 and earlier versions [1] > draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-refresh-06 represents a broad consensus among > the community: members of most major OpenPGP implementations came > together and worked on the text in the design team. Represented were > GnuPG, RNP, GopenPGP, OpenPGP.js, and Sequoia. No, there was no consensus from GnuPG and RNP in the design team for any of the changes after we had finalized the AEAD chunk size thingy. > If you have concrete concerns, then by all means, do speak up. However, > "this is different from what I've been doing" isn't a valid concern. I have not said this. I stated that the AEAD scheme has been deployed a long time now, we have done extensive interop testing and that things are in real world use. This is the way the OpenPGP WG has been working since its beginnings in the 25 years ago. And we are pretty successful in taking interoperability serious as long as anyhow possible. Shalom-Salam, Werner [1] We had this all ready when you and your friends changed employer from g10 Code to pEp in Summer 2017. And then immediately started to request changes to a nearly finalized I-D which we had discussed in our weekly company meetings often enough. It seems the requested changes were not just for on technical grounds but for "competative" reasons. -- The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service. - A. Einstein
- [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-r… internet-drafts
- Re: [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-cryp… Paul Wouters
- [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was: I-D… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks on th… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks o… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD and R… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Stephen Farrell