Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Tue, 07 June 2022 16:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:03, Daniel Huigens said: > make things simpler. But, with OpenPGP.js maintainer hat on, having GCM > is nice since it's in Web Crypto, meaning it's natively implemented in If we start to depend on what the two remaining web browser vendors implement we should also to to use SRV records and many other things which are for good reasons standard. Up until Google allows for OCB you can still keep on using our solid and unbroken MDC method. Please also be reminded that Browser and web things can easily be changed but that OpenPGP is foremost used in other domains where you want very stable and non-disruptive protocol enhancements. Think decades and not years. Also be reminded that in CMS we are still waiting to get basic AD methods in real use. Something we have in OpenPGP for more that 15 years. Not need to rush out new things because the browser does not support it. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service. - A. Einstein
- [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-r… internet-drafts
- Re: [openpgp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-openpgp-cryp… Paul Wouters
- [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was: I-D… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D (Was:… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Robert J. Hansen
- Re: [openpgp] First remarks on the last I-D Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks on th… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] AEAD and Rome (was: First remarks o… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD and R… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… brian m. carlson
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes Stephen Farrell