Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD and Rome]
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Choices for AEAD modes [was: AEAD and Rome]
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Hi Werner, On 27/06/2022 08:04, Werner Koch wrote: > Please check the archives: for each iteration comments were > collected and features adjusted until everone agreed that this is fine. > I call this rough consensus. This was actually done in a very > transparent manner. The point is that the IETF defines ways in which consensus is judged - by WG chairs in the first instance and by ADs and the IESG after an IETF last call. Editors and WG participants are not in a position to call consensus or the lack of such, *in the IETF process*, which is what counts at this point as we're trying to find consensus in the WG so we can produce a new RFC for OpenPGP. So while you may think and assert that a consensus existed, even if you're correct, that's not really relevant to what we're trying to get done now. Arguing that it is, just muddies the waters a little bit for those less familiar with IETF process. (And has the potential to irritate those who care lots about IETF processes and who may well question the output of the WG should that output be perceived to not have properly called consensus from the WG chairs - and yes, some people do care about such stuff, even if it's a small risk for this iteration of the WG;-) IOW, there's a reason to stick with the IETF process and to not give any appearance of there having been any end-run around that process. Cheers, S.
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