Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallagher-openpgp-replacementkey
Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Fri, 19 April 2024 07:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallagher-openpgp-replacementkey
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Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> writes: > My understanding is that the editors proposed some changes to address > Simon's concerns about scope and use patterns, but haven't released a > new draft with those changes. Those proposed changes are here: > > https://gitlab.com/andrewgdotcom/draft-gallagher-openpgp-replacementkey/-/merge_requests/2/diffs Those changes seems nice, but my basic question still doesn't seem to have a clear answer (at least that I've been able to understand): what is the problem this draft is intended to solve? Two rough outlines of problem statements: 1) replace human written key transition documents 2) enable automatic non-interactive upgrades to PQ keys Are both these problems in scope? Are other problems in scope? Is there some problem that we know is not in scope? There is a bunch of different modifications I can think of for this draft but have hesitated to suggest. Without understanding the problem we are trying to solve, it is hard to evaluate if a suggested modification is a good idea or not. The two goals 1) and 2) may lead to conflicting requirements on the protocol. This make me unable to feel that I can contribute anything other than raising this question. /Simon
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallagher-op… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Heiko Schäfer
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Falko Strenzke
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Daniel Huigens
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Falko Strenzke
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Falko Strenzke
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Simon Josefsson
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Falko Strenzke
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Stephen Farrell
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher
- [openpgp] Re: Call for adoption of draft-gallaghe… Andrew Gallagher