RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
"Drake, John E" <John.E.Drake2@boeing.com> Wed, 04 October 2006 16:55 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
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From: "Drake, John E" <John.E.Drake2@boeing.com>
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" <joel@stevecrocker.com>
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Advance both as experimental. There does not seem to be sufficient evidence to select a single solution. > -----Original Message----- > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:58 PM > To: Joel M. Halpern > Cc: ospf-manet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 > > > Richard, > > I'd have to agree with Joel. Addiitonally, reaching consensus on the > criteria > and who has the mandate to make the decision may be as > difficult as agreeing on an approach. So, we could bring in > others, e.g. the routing ADs or > members of the > routing directorate, but this may not bring us any closer to > concensus. > > Thanks, > Acee > Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > Why must the teams agree on a methodology? > > The point of experimental publication is to get the definitions out > > there so that people can implement and use them. > > If it does not get used, then there is no need to move anything to > > Proposed Standard. > > If one gets used, and the others do not, then that one ends > up on the > > standards track. Probably with improvements from the > implementation > > and deployment experience. > > If several get implemented and deployed, then we hope to > learn things > > from that deployment. We may discover that factors that never > > occurred to the working group will turn out to be > important. It may > > be that factors the working group thought important turn out to be > > irrelevant. > > > > The IETF has almost never agreed on criteria for moving from > > experimental to proposed standard, other than "lets see > what happens." > > And I would be amazed at the IETF giving significant weight to > > simulation experience for that transition. > > > > Yours, > > Joel M. Halpern > > > > PS: When this has been done in the past, it has been with the view > > that it was intended to get real world deployment experience. And > > that such experience was what mattered for any possible > eventual move > > from experimental to standards track status. > > > > At 03:50 PM 10/2/2006, Richard Ogier wrote: > >> I think that if we decide to go forward with multiple experimental > >> drafts, then we MUST first agree on a methodology for > comparing the > >> proposals, and all participants MUST agree to cooperate with this > >> methodology. (E.g., if one team refuses to implement > their solution > >> in GTNetS, then they will be disqualified.) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ospf-manet mailing list > > Ospf-manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf-manet > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ospf-manet mailing list > Ospf-manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf-manet > _______________________________________________ Ospf-manet mailing list Ospf-manet@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf-manet
- [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, Issue… Aniket Desai
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Acee Lindem
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Joe Macker
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Henderson, Thomas R
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Drake, John E
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Drake, John E
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier
- RE: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Henderson, Thomas R
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Philippe Jacquet
- Re: [Ospf-manet] Re: Ospf-manet Digest, Vol 11, I… Richard Ogier