Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry-pppoe-credit

Bo Berry writes:
> Guess it would not be unexpected to say that we disagree
> with the text and addition of the disclaimer.  It appears
> from these emails (and from emails of past as well), that
> there is a lot of disagreement on PPPoE.  We're not

Indeed, but that's not the point at all.  PPPoE isn't actually needed
to solve the problem here.

> trying to to correct PPPoE.  We're not here to debate the
> process and value of IETF Informational specs.

Nor are we.

> We have proposed and documented extenstions to the PPPoE
> spec, which are within the context of that spec.  These
> are documented as optional.

"Optional" does not mean "without cost" or "quality is unimportant" or
even "I get to publish without addressing issues from reviewers."

> The draft went through the IETF process and has gone through
> the expert review period. At this point we can agree to
> disagree.  Therefore we request that the draft be published
> as is, without any inserted (bias) text, and without any
> further delay.

Sorry, but that's not the way it's going to happen.  You don't own
this particular vanity press.

The IESG intends to publish the document with a suitable warning to
summarize that there is no consensus that this protocol addition is a
good idea.  This could have happened without input from any of us; the
process allows that (see section 4.2.3 of RFC 2026 if you're
unfamiliar with the process).  Our AD politely asked for input, and I
suggested taking it to the list because I wasn't one of the principals
involved in the original discussion, and I wanted to capture the
problem accurately and succinctly.

I believe we've managed to do that.

If you want it published without "bias," then I suggest that you
withdraw the request to publish and use your own press instead.

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