Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry-pppoe-credit
Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> Fri, 09 December 2005 15:50 UTC
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Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:50:18 -0700
From: Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com>
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Subject: Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry-pppoe-credit
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> From: James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> > > Broken. Yes, I said broken. PPPoE is broken. A PPP-over-Ethernet- > > over-radio design that needs new options to work properly is, by > > definition, also broken. Broken because the designers designed their > > product improperly. And now they want us to accept their broken > > design as OK by standardizing it. > > Agreed; the whole thing is swilly. > > However, I disagree with that last bit. The only intent here is to > publish as Informational (not Standards Track), and to make sure it's > specified to be minimally harmful. Let's be honest with ourselves. If the difference between "Informational" and "Standards Track" were real, there would be no need to add the deprecating text to this proposal. The intent is for the IETF to OK or standardize the proposal exactly as much as PPPoE was OK'ed or standardized by the IETF. Some original advocates of PPPoE as well as some advocates of this notion have doubtless convinced themselves that there is a difference between the status as a standard of RFC 2516 or this proposal and RFC 793, but that difference is imperceptable to all implementors, buyers, installers, maintainers, and users. Let's also admit that, as the stronger title and words in RFC 1055 proved, the suggested deprecating words for this proposal will have very little and probably no effect on implementors, buyers, etc. These deprecating words can only salvage a little of the self-respect of all of use including advocates for the idea and warn off advocates of worse ideas such as the recent proposal concerning quantum mechanics. The words might at most affect the IETF itself, much as the deprecating words in RFC 1055 built momentum for PPP. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext
- [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry-ppp… James Carlson
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Karl Fox
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Karl Fox
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Karl Fox
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Bo Berry
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Karl Fox
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Mark Lanzo
- RE: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Nelson, David
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] warning suggestions for draft-bberry… William Allen Simpson