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From: "MORTON JR., AL" <acmorton@att.com>
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch>
CC: Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>, "ops-dir@ietf.org" <ops-dir@ietf.org>, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>, "last-call@ietf.org" <last-call@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org>, Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>, QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-quic-manageability-14
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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
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To: Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch>
Cc: MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com>; Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>; ops-dir@ietf.org; Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>; last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org; Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>; Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>; QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-quic-manageability-14

Hi Brian, Al, Mirja, et al,

Just a quick note to say thank you to all for this conversation and working towards some sort of consensus.

I personally think that the PRs that Brian has created are helpful, and are looking good. There is a definite, and ongoing tension between the operators' need to see into the traffic for management/filtering/malware protection/etc;  and the users' needs for privacy - this tension makes these sorts of discussions somewhat fraught, and I'd like to thank everyone again for trying to see each other's viewpoints, and work towards text / a solution that we can all live with.

While this compromise might not be perfect, is it good enough that we can all live with it?
W
[acm]
WFM, thanks,
Al



On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 7:04 AM, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch<mailto:ietf@trammell.ch>> wrote:
Hi Al, Lucas, all,

I think I’ve distilled down this thread into two PRs: https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/466<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/466__;!!BhdT!ja5YmdO4uaBZJglvL3utBGoizA3beR66DhMXcTXFI3U9srTnu6td0NOfpRKI_PKDB6jYUaOgoBb1$> on “recommendation” language generally, and https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/467<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/467__;!!BhdT!ja5YmdO4uaBZJglvL3utBGoizA3beR66DhMXcTXFI3U9srTnu6td0NOfpRKI_PKDB6jYUSWzM0NT$> rephrasing recommendations not to switch on version into an analysis of the tradeoffs (thanks Lucas for your help with these!). Please have a look and let me know whether those resolve this discussion.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

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