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Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com> Fri, 08 April 2022 10:54 UTC

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From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com>
To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
CC: "MORTON JR., AL" <acmorton@att.com>, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>, QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-quic-manageability-14
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Hi,

Thanks for all the discussions and resolution. I will now move both of the QUIC-OPS draft forward.

//Zahed

> On 7 Apr 2022, at 00:07, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi Al, Warren, all,
> 
> Have just published -16 of manageability containing these and other PRs (and -16 of applicability, which adds only last call review acks).
> 
> I think we’re ready to go the IESG now. 
> 
> Thanks, cheers,
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On 5 Apr 2022, at 23:32, MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com <mailto:acmorton@att.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net <mailto:warren@kumari.net>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:00 PM
>> To: Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch <mailto:ietf@trammell.ch>>
>> Cc: MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com <mailto:acmorton@att.com>>; Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk <mailto:gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>>; ops-dir@ietf.org <mailto:ops-dir@ietf.org>; Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org <mailto:paul@redbarn.org>>; last-call@ietf.org <mailto:last-call@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org <mailto:draft-ietf-quic-manageability.all@ietf.org>; Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com <mailto:mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>>; Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com <mailto:lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>>; QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org <mailto:quic@ietf.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-quic-manageability-14
>>  
>> Hi Brian, Al, Mirja, et al,
>>  
>> Just a quick note to say thank you to all for this conversation and working towards some sort of consensus. 
>>  
>> I personally think that the PRs that Brian has created are helpful, and are looking good. There is a definite, and ongoing tension between the operators' need to see into the traffic for management/filtering/malware protection/etc;  and the users' needs for privacy - this tension makes these sorts of discussions somewhat fraught, and I'd like to thank everyone again for trying to see each other's viewpoints, and work towards text / a solution that we can all live with.
>>  
>> While this compromise might not be perfect, is it good enough that we can all live with it?
>> W
>> [acm]
>> WFM, thanks,
>> Al
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 7:04 AM, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch <mailto:ietf@trammell.ch>> wrote:
>> Hi Al, Lucas, all,
>>  
>> I think I’ve distilled down this thread into two PRs: https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/466 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/466__;!!BhdT!ja5YmdO4uaBZJglvL3utBGoizA3beR66DhMXcTXFI3U9srTnu6td0NOfpRKI_PKDB6jYUaOgoBb1$> on “recommendation” language generally, and https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/467 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/467__;!!BhdT!ja5YmdO4uaBZJglvL3utBGoizA3beR66DhMXcTXFI3U9srTnu6td0NOfpRKI_PKDB6jYUSWzM0NT$> rephrasing recommendations not to switch on version into an analysis of the tradeoffs (thanks Lucas for your help with these!). Please have a look and let me know whether those resolve this discussion.
>>  
>> Thanks, cheers,
>>  
>> Brian
>>  
>>  
>

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