Re: Rechartering QUIC for Post Version 1 Work

Roberto Peon <fenix@fb.com> Fri, 29 January 2021 20:44 UTC

Return-Path: <prvs=166362ad51=fenix@fb.com>
X-Original-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9403A12C3 for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:27 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.119
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.119 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fb.com header.b=QVoecPov; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fb.onmicrosoft.com header.b=ZAW+UUYA
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2c4FD68KWXY for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com (mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com [67.231.145.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A36AA3A12C1 for <quic@ietf.org>; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0044012.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 10TKZQGK005989; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:13 -0800
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fb.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=facebook; bh=HPJU4xeMQbF4vaMWPG8YBbYg1gknETUSwcNeCedbVsA=; b=QVoecPovpI79m1mNGnV8RHZnWguR3WoiMCNzg4UbMLKTa61S+kjcuUnIwT7anR3FWcev zuluTMaZf4gjR5QbDKunTILq9weqihOJHEDu56WvtZWypWVGCfxhPN6e7dMAVAue8HRC v2SdgTZlrP/LS+bTYnzSRrhw/DnIV613kiY=
Received: from maileast.thefacebook.com ([163.114.130.16]) by mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 36cm9c207x-3 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:13 -0800
Received: from NAM12-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (100.104.31.183) by o365-in.thefacebook.com (100.104.35.173) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1979.3; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:44:11 -0800
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=FzXkic8l4jUZhdw6EsXvOkt9vn6qTIzpctHzE5G/2FQFe+YiZjlavvhyV1ZRVKftrABmNKmr8+92lfst1qKZS2kkVE72+7MH4emi1Ih1YAyDAjBWIIEQH4ZN/+CCSmeEKL2yeb9lueDpPi/cDtit+kprxPpJYJo3iA1CsfKW9kFakttKis/ZCLC8M4pX+y8YtWfyD/mQhLS3NOy9NxvI1ParwppvgFEgmd2fZGK85AWntFD8ANfW/FqKxTmXvFZ43ayiHC4kIjtkVJL06cUbF628pS/grh/BvkmDrDcx/hWAvGDMNnmbaypExjrTjcMdl+UeATSxNHRbDUT5bAbO7A==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=HPJU4xeMQbF4vaMWPG8YBbYg1gknETUSwcNeCedbVsA=; b=W/iA5kXyjuQthgryh4E46sij9QZzY5db6WiDd8U8WwXMEUWzyWBSFzPxYThLL7Jy1C2py4LXonVA3J6cGBQr3xv3AisYd00gVFYh+76olTmwx2yDkMDP7gS9hbiAq++dGM0Rp1S2sc3hvvXA8ZhxvBaCeHqlguLASdrPYwTtq8+NIbhz48Wy7yQ3hCCAeoJblew0pmzdl0S5AblwlQA+ZtLytlOQxzQjn9Une/BJuxoCVHocTApijeog4gwksaWFGHwwvTIkCd+3MPeAnIRArjCdrJB0GS5MZVKHdKxzJ1zK9AU8GlDfbjc3p++9qFxxBpGYCe9TRPCm6UkU0nD/DA==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=fb.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=fb.com; dkim=pass header.d=fb.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fb.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-fb-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=HPJU4xeMQbF4vaMWPG8YBbYg1gknETUSwcNeCedbVsA=; b=ZAW+UUYAZm4r0qGtjHsOpvY7tRcr8gz+w7AnbUke2cCzB0rqFzM70k52hXhW+5R0xR0jIB8EhP8zXSn4M6dqFtpJkdNo+MnCEzzv/xFpTYPRAb3/OYT/mj9ZVOobIxMExHxaQkYhMww3syrU8OoFUzE6DB5Mmvve0nV8Q1VZF14=
Received: from DM6PR15MB2681.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:5:1aa::28) by DM6PR15MB2970.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:5:13d::19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3805.17; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:44:11 +0000
Received: from DM6PR15MB2681.namprd15.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d75:5a54:8fbb:306]) by DM6PR15MB2681.namprd15.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8d75:5a54:8fbb:306%7]) with mapi id 15.20.3805.019; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:44:11 +0000
From: Roberto Peon <fenix@fb.com>
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
CC: IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Rechartering QUIC for Post Version 1 Work
Thread-Topic: Rechartering QUIC for Post Version 1 Work
Thread-Index: AQHW9AK2UtJq4/JB00u/jEj8lWoTKKo6IZAAgAAA4oCAAAGPAIAABO+AgAAWpoCAACTlAIAADsUAgAEz8QCAAV48AP//5GgAgAFcpACAAEpiAA==
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:44:11 +0000
Message-ID: <A7A2F05E-6FBA-4C0C-BF13-F0E8C54DC567@fb.com>
References: <CALGR9oaXpZp87ujmkDAO6Tuy=m-s8qKDY9-azpm_PhVAMfkq9A@mail.gmail.com> <20210126170048.GB364092@okhta> <D01160E4-C89E-4DF5-B0A7-C5138E33D9C1@eggert.org> <20210126170932.GC364092@okhta> <CALGR9oaO8Q7TC9zyajM20gZkZPR1cRDSv-SeDqo0MfaQbgfAjg@mail.gmail.com> <20210126184815.GD364092@okhta> <CAKcm_gNXkCko=H3VofwnubMDctCN7Smx0LDbH-ruYcTk7S4kTg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDSy+4kVyrvmkd8vDOzASV36Y2iR2HEGzrSkxXJaMmED6JDww@mail.gmail.com> <CAC8QAcc8E3G2r9tzggRgz5t8ZxeqpFu4dwg4bmoLH39DnBHV-Q@mail.gmail.com> <9D6FDFBB-77E1-4AB9-84C2-376690A026DC@eggert.org> <3CDD98E2-92D6-4E5B-838D-CD56BE5BBA1E@fb.com> <4C483C56-1C1C-451F-9F0B-2C7D6FC8733F@eggert.org>
In-Reply-To: <4C483C56-1C1C-451F-9F0B-2C7D6FC8733F@eggert.org>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.45.21011103
authentication-results: eggert.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;eggert.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=fb.com;
x-originating-ip: [2620:10d:c090:400::5:412a]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 90cf8381-5101-4960-2719-08d8c496a1dd
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6PR15MB2970:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <DM6PR15MB2970BBEEA03538A4984F1A1ECDB99@DM6PR15MB2970.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
x-fb-source: Internal
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273;
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DM6PR15MB2681.namprd15.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(136003)(39860400002)(376002)(346002)(396003)(366004)(36756003)(33656002)(66946007)(5660300002)(66476007)(64756008)(76116006)(91956017)(66556008)(66446008)(6512007)(86362001)(4001150100001)(71200400001)(53546011)(2906002)(6506007)(8936002)(478600001)(8676002)(4326008)(316002)(2616005)(186003)(6916009)(6486002)(45980500001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: Ba1MhofvA9iTPK3JE+kaZrMj1c59HrAalVLOzObANLu5lkmGZBnuBiPaAUHp0A6I9mrtGK6hOjwh9DqqQdK/njUEcpDmjaW6CLCtmFCQP5vQKsIsrdYiEima5RO9owWBiwYnjr+TgSUdwLcD/LCl9sAQiV1EwjNDZYmVEFln8acMqsXbF0b5doqdwX12ZET0Mn1AJeQMemVvvZ3TZQJ6CCxwhiYSkfz5qnNETQCSzabML4NfgGa8ociOowZTtOKUnvfxyKJiC4ZmZQXfjK2APin+443M8HuF9FPv5flCgVvhW7LFJnHAg7xz5MdZJO9CbP77tBAfKMCUciiMetutpFOaDa6YH8xo48H7Rn5CypCW5nno/104jCEp9f/YmgYmZh6oCTVBPCG7hB9odaX8PSo1XYYqgSk5Wh6ftoixudVvtMe6T7e87Uzxbv9sfIxI8hCGXiU2tvYpIu1RF8pvQVgk/wFGrY8JXDiUgYJaY4XmzDoh4+sJz+BuL6pUl4ZSfNqJRMJkDek1W6frB4UFddeJwi1nn69M90m8OFpoEY/T6kLXeQVt/Y80VcqMWw9J+ZkuBiplXJ8x8/kXo/9nffO38h6M3UMoOjVO3OSc8Quo7TjYwkAAPWeVDhqSKR2t3nBdVnpFHoh8IijdlSGrTHcQXd73tfB+PMuwo3YdX8tLFWAhEhhiEPPzw/Xw6kIEpkkVcRHprmn5i3JhukCStA2zfv8Th35Emm1KscupE48Xmd83sf0j8FxUxqcxeqHDdTKV81ARWmRrrNJf49HaMTGGBMxzxgZsKvn4FkbdwfXWLwwFdrg5dNxRIrp14LyXrJ+kiDGsUcIG1geOUxokv9i9ejQGgmfrmnzXIWhMNc/F7DcKxcGfhlqDrrkeiVrtKf7jAHefImT2FWFV5jiLzeDDn+9OvWCZ4ho9UMHMou6WAnoVStipahA6HSjJiPCvKREorkAc5yql79Sv8DHe0htJRU4qBTZ/YmQAyzTHRsz6YQfkUiFhHDh5GvBZVKvChNIIRjLufnFRnakK1VpDK/nzSgYJniIeeZITheosAyjoLEwyoYX2182YoOAKNi1/C5cEb2mH8S9iu+g01cxzIldHwbMqEODBwSfxGI4qo6Y=
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <C6F6F190EF72464AB67F1791250F34D8@namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM6PR15MB2681.namprd15.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 90cf8381-5101-4960-2719-08d8c496a1dd
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Jan 2021 20:44:11.1699 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 8ae927fe-1255-47a7-a2af-5f3a069daaa2
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: TY/hGWtoSmSTfgPjdTwVuiI5nqG86z8Evd7tuYoFttgxRbIQIVPJHeofXF+9dS6t
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR15MB2970
X-OriginatorOrg: fb.com
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.369, 18.0.737 definitions=2021-01-29_09:2021-01-29, 2021-01-29 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=fb_default_notspam policy=fb_default score=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2101290101
X-FB-Internal: deliver
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/QwaArSavLgFec1LuLUBMp_qEWlU>
X-BeenThere: quic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Main mailing list of the IETF QUIC working group <quic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/quic/>
List-Post: <mailto:quic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:44:28 -0000

Yup, that is what I was hoping to hear.
WFM!
-=R

On 1/29/21, 12:18 AM, "Lars Eggert" <lars@eggert.org> wrote:

    Hi,

    On 2021-1-28, at 21:30, Roberto Peon <fenix=40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    > What would your answer be on where partially-reliable HTTP work would be homed (where it mostly requires QUIC changes, and may require some HTTP changes)?

    without having discussed this with my co-chairs:

    The H3 changes should live in the HTTP WG.

    If partially-reliable HTTP also needs a new QUIC extension, the new charter envisions two options:

    One would be to do the QUIC extension in the HTTP WG as well, with some sort of frequent collaboration/review with the QUIC WG. This would probably the preferred approach if that QUIC extension is really only applicable to partially-reliable HTTP.

    If however the QUIC extension to support partially-reliable HTTP has broader applicability to other applications, i.e., establishes something like a generic partially-reliable QUIC transport service, that'd argue for doing this work in the QUIC WG instead, and collaborate with HTTP to make sure their needs are met.

    Does this make sense? Does the proposed charter text read that way to you?

    Thanks,
    Lars