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From: Roberto Peon <fenix@fb.com>
To: Luke Curley <kixelated@gmail.com>, Alan Frindell <afrind=40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>, Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>, "avt@ietf.org" <avt@ietf.org>, "wish@ietf.org" <wish@ietf.org>, Kirill Pugin <ikir@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC
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Seems like a good idea to me, unless there is a home that is already well suited!
-=R

From: QUIC <quic-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Luke Curley <kixelated@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM
To: Alan Frindell <afrind=40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>, Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>, "avt@ietf.org" <avt@ietf.org>, "wish@ietf.org" <wish@ietf.org>, Kirill Pugin <ikir@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC

Hey Alan, thanks for publishing your protocol!

Twitch has also been working on a video over QUIC protocol, albeit primarily for video distribution instead of contribution. We're very interested in collaborating on RUSH and producing a new standard for live streaming! Would there be broader interest in forming a video over QUIC working group?

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 12:04 PM Alan Frindell <afrind=40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi Sergio, thanks for your interest in the draft.

I’m interested in seeing a video ingest protocol standard that leverages QUIC as a transport, has some partial reliability support, and is less connection-oriented so that servers can go down for maintenance without impacting ingest reliability or having arbitrarily long drain times.  We published our RUSH draft to help kickstart the conversation but we’re open to feedback and modifications if they help advance those goals.

Thanks

-Alan

From: Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com<mailto:sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 9:02 AM
To: Alan Frindell <afrind@fb.com<mailto:afrind@fb.com>>
Cc: "quic@ietf.org<mailto:quic@ietf.org>" <quic@ietf.org<mailto:quic@ietf.org>>, "wish@ietf.org<mailto:wish@ietf.org>" <wish@ietf.org<mailto:wish@ietf.org>>, "avt@ietf.org<mailto:avt@ietf.org>" <avt@ietf.org<mailto:avt@ietf.org>>, Kirill Pugin <ikir@fb.com<mailto:ikir@fb.com>>
Subject: Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC

Hi Alan,

I think that the correct place for discussing it is AVTCORE as Bernard has indicated, as  WISH is not chartered to implement any new media protocol.

The draft is very interesting and I would be willing to collaborate, what is your main interest? Do you want to try to publish it as it is or would you be accepting feedback and include modifications?

Best regards
Sergio



El mar, 13 jul 2021 a las 17:37, Alan Frindell (<afrind=40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40fb.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>) escribió:
Hi, for several years, Facebook has been using its own video ingest protocol over QUIC from our apps to our infra.  While we’ve spoken about it before, we just now published a draft documenting how it works:  https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kpugin-rush-00.html<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kpugin-rush-00.html>.

The protocol leverages the advantages of QUIC transport, and features a partially reliable mode using only QUIC v1 RST_STREAM.

We welcome your feedback

Thanks

-Alan Frindell





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