[rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Editor recommendations now available
ajs at shinkuro.com (Andrew Sullivan) Fri, 26 November 2010 22:19 UTC
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:19:57 -0500
Subject: [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Editor recommendations now available
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Hi, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:47:49AM -0800, Glenn Kowack wrote: > A new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Recommendations, > "draft-kowack-rfc-editor-model-v2-overview-00" is now available. I have read the document. I have some comments. I'm going to treat it as a hastily-made draft and therefore not bother with particular comments about structure, grammar, and usage, but I sure hope a fairly serious pass will be made over the draft to address the quality of the English before the final version. Normally, I wouldn't even comment at this stage; but this _is_ a document about the editor, and having to re-read sentences multiple times to make sense of them is pretty jarring. The reporting structure is not clear to me. The diagram in section 2.1 says that the RSE reports to the IAB. Section 4.1 says the RSE reports to the REOC but is appointed by the IAB. I suppose the latter somewhat unorthodox arrangement could work in practice, given that the members of the REOC apparently to serve at the pleasure of the IAB, except that neither of these bodies is in a position to write contracts. So the IAD (right? anyway, whoever is in a legal position to write those contracts) has to appear in here somewhere, and doesn't as far as I'm able to make out. This needs serious work. I guess I think what is proposed is that the RSE works under the general direction of the IAB, with day to day supervision provided by the REOC. The IAD undertakes contracts with the RSE at the direction of the IAOC and according to the express wishes of the IAB. Is that right? Section 4.2 includes some responsibilities I think should not be included. In particular, I don't get these two: o representation of the Series to the community, and o representation of the Series to the rest of the world. I think they should be removed. On bullet 1, I think the only possible reason the RFC series is important is that people think it is useful. Those people who think it is useful are the only people I think could possibly qualify as "the community" in the above. So the series is tautologically represented to them. The specific details of this responsibility are outlined in 4.2.4. It seems to me that bullets one and three in that list are just a basic part of doing the document quality work outlined in 4.2.3; that the "as required" in bullet two amounts to saying either that this should all be done in support of the first three tasks, or whenever the supervisor (IAB? REOC?) says so; that bullet four is a simple description that the RSE has to tell his/her boss what s/he is doing; and that the last bullet is empty of any meaning at all. On bullet 2, the claim is either preposterous or false. "The rest of the world" broadly construed is not a class of people needing the RFC series represented to them. My mother does not care even a little bit about the RFC series. "The rest of the world" narrowly construed -- i.e. people participating in areas touched on by the various input streams but not part of that input stream community -- should not have the RSE involved in their issues, either. That's a responsibility of the relevant liasons to those other communities, I think. The expansion of this responsibility in section 4.2.5 is, to me, a demonstration of what I'm suggesting, because it seems unlikely that the press is ever going to care about the series _itself_, except on occasions so rare that it would be better handled as a one-off event and not a part of any job description. More likely, the press will be interested in particular controversies, and that sort of thing should never be handled by the RSE. I have no idea what the second bullet means, so I think it should be removed. I think the rest of the responsibilities are ok. In particular, I think I have no substantial objections to the items outlined in sections 4.2.1, 4.2.2, or 4.2.3 (although as a nit I'd like to see the parentheses removed from the second bullet in 4.2.3). I have no objection to any of the items in 4.3.1. Section 4.3.2 appears to have a number of special projects bound up in it. These are one-time events that, I suspect, don't belong in the job description of the RSE unless we plan to go through this root canal again in the near future. 4.3.2.2 contains one such project. 4.3.2.3 doesn't actually define Production Quality at all, but talks about a possible service that might be investigated. These sections should be cut. Section 4.4 seems reasonable to me. I sent comments about the multiple committees under separate cover. Specifically on the REOC, I agree with Ted Hardie that the strictures on conflict of interest are too high on the REOC given that similar conflicts have been explicitly permitted for the RSE itself. Surely a simple recusal model for the dispute resolution would be enough to solve any worries about conflicts? In section 6, we have this: If one party still disagrees after the reconsideration, that party should ask the Series Editor to undertake a formal review. The RSE must inform and engage the REOC in their oversight capacity, and may call for a review committee including members of the REOC. The RSE and REOC should seek to reach rough consensus on the resolution of the matter. It strikes me that this is underspecified. The RSE may call for a review committee, but it doesn't say who appoints the committee, how they're selected, or what the membership must be. Is that ok? I think probably not. This is exactly the sort of case in which it's useful to have sound rules. While most of the time I am very much in favour of loose rules with general principles, we need to have fairly automatic and completely specified rules for who gets picked to do conflict resolution. Otherwise, the process of picking the dispute resolution body is just another way to fight the same dispute. Perhaps the next paragraph is supposed to constrain things, but if it is I was unable to understand how. I don't have anything that I would like added to the document. With the changes I outline above, I think the position ends up slightly on the "broad" side of the two constructions for the position I outlined some time ago, but I'd entertain arguments to the contrary. I have no idea why to select between those two constructions, because there are no reasons in the document for either view. Therefore, I've just assumed the broad construction is correct for the purposes of these comments, and suggested (among other things) where I think the document has erred in the direction of "too broad". Best regards, Andrew -- Andrew Sullivan ajs at shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc.
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ted Hardie
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Craig Partridge
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Leslie Daigle
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ted Hardie
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] On two committees (was: new draft summari… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ole Jacobsen
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Joel M. Halpern
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Russ Housley
- [rfc-i] On two committees Russ Housley
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On too many committees John Levine
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… SM
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Fwd: new draft summarizing updated Transi… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] Fwd: new draft summarizing updated Transi… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] Fwd: Fwd: new draft summarizing updated T… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… SM