[rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Editor recommendations now available
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com (Brian E Carpenter) Sun, 12 December 2010 20:47 UTC
From: "brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com"
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:47:01 +1300
Subject: [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Editor recommendations now available
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Just a few (delayed) comments: On 2010-12-01 09:26, SM wrote: > Hello, > At 00:47 23-11-10, Glenn Kowack wrote: >> A new draft summarizing updated Transitional RFC Recommendations, >> "draft-kowack-rfc-editor-model-v2-overview-00" is now available. >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kowack-rfc-editor-model-v2-overview/?include_text=1 >> > > It's odd to reference the datatracker for this draft. Is the document > source "Network Working Group" (see RFC 5741)? > > Quoting the Abstract Section: > > "The RFC Editor is a set of functions that accepts draft documents > from the community, makes edits and other changes for clarity and > formal correctness, and publishes and archives openly-accessible > RFCs. Editorial services are provided by a Production Center, > publication and access services by a 'Publisher'. The RFC Series > Editor is responsible for ensure ongoing operations as well as > development of the Editor function and the Series." > > If that sums up the RFC Editor Model, do we really have to get into a > long discussion about it? I don't think so. If the draft is to serve > as a basis for coming up with a RFC Editor Model, it could reuse some of > the text from RFC 5620. But that RFC is too long. I think there are some arguments for writing new, more concise, text. > > In Section 2.2: > > "For example, RFC Editor functions could be implemented under > separate or joint contractual arrangements, and bidders may make > proposals that could include one or more contractors. Determining > the acceptability of various implementations is the responsibility > of the RFC Series Editor and the IAOC, in consultation with the > Policy Council." > > What is this Policy Council? I assume that's an editing oversight and the REOC was intended. > > In Section 2.3: > > "RFC Editor internal reporting structure is subject to change over > time depending, for example, on plans and the manner in which > contracts are awarded." > > This is internal affairs. I suggest leaving this up to the IOAC. Well, since the RSE is supposed to be the ringmaster, not the IAD, I think the IAOC will not be involved in the fine details. > > From Section 3.3: > > "RFC Publisher and RFC Production Center contractors are recommended > by the Series Editor and IAOC after an open RFP process, and approved > by the IAB." > > What does the IAB have to do with contractual agreements? The IAB is chartered to "approve the appointment of an organization to act as RFC Editor". The IAD is chartered with "negotiating and maintaining contracts or equivalent instruments with outside organizations". I think the proposed text is compatible with both. > From Section 4.1: > > "The RFC Series Editor appointee is an individual. The Series Editor > is designated by the IAB, and may be removed by the IAB, subject to > contractual requirements." > > This is not an appointment; it is more of a contract. Any employment is a contract of sorts. What's your point? > > From Section 4.2: > > "The Series Editor is responsible for ensuring that the Editor > policies are adhered to and developed in line with community > interests." > > What community is that? I assume it's shorthand for "the Internet technical community." > > The title of Section 4.2.5 is "Represent the Series to the Rest of the > World". Is that really needed? As others have said, yes. I tend to agree with Ted Hardie that 80% of the actual work is concerned with document flow, but external relations, even beyond the Internet technical community, are inevitably needed. > > From Section 4.3.2.2: > > "authoritative community entities (e.g., the IETF Trust regarding > IP notices" > > The IETF Trust is not authoritative for Internet Protocol notices. :-) Yes, a misprunt. > > If the IAB wants to divest its responsibility and leave it to the REOC > to run the RFC Series, it is free to do so. Having so many committee is > a bad idea though. The IAB *is not* responsible for running the series. Its responsibility is extremely general in nature: "The IAB must approve the appointment of an organization to act as RFC Editor and the general policy followed by the RFC Editor." Yet again, that is the entirety of the IAB's charter responsibility. No more and no less, and I think this draft reflects it quite well. Having an oversight committee is good practice, since we want the RFC series to reflect the needs of the Internet technical community. > > In Section 6.1: > > "Disagreements between RFC Editor Components and Model > Participants" > > This is about contractual relationships. It does not matter what a RFC > says as it cannot override a contract. No, but it can provide a channel for conciliation before having to "go nuclear" by invoking penalties and cancellation clauses from the contract. Brian > > To summarize, I am far from convinced after reading > draft-kowack-rfc-editor-model-v2-overview. > > Regards, > -sm > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest at rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ted Hardie
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Craig Partridge
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Leslie Daigle
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ted Hardie
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] On two committees (was: new draft summari… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Ole Jacobsen
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Joel M. Halpern
- [rfc-i] Representation to the community and rest … Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Russ Housley
- [rfc-i] On two committees Russ Housley
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On too many committees John Levine
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Andrew Sullivan
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… SM
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Olaf Kolkman
- [rfc-i] On two committees Dave CROCKER
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Bob Braden
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] On two committees Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… Brian E Carpenter
- [rfc-i] Fwd: new draft summarizing updated Transi… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] Fwd: new draft summarizing updated Transi… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] Fwd: Fwd: new draft summarizing updated T… Glenn Kowack
- [rfc-i] new draft summarizing updated Transitiona… SM