Re: [Roll] AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-18

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 18 September 2020 20:06 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" <pthubert=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> message dated "Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:12:33 -0000."
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Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\) <pthubert=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    >> (1) What is a RUL?
    >> 
    >>  I assumed that a RUL would be a "plain" IPv6 node that is not aware
    >> of RPL  at all.  That definition would include, of course, not being
    >> aware of this  document...

    > Yes. I believe that is how we defined it.  The RUL is an IPv6 host
    > connected to RPL that does not speak RPL.

Alvero, we struggled with this a lot.

As Carsten said repeatedly, and I think worth repeating,  a plain IPv6 node
which is not aware of any RPL stuff at all would be... a *host*
  I tried at the time of RFC8504 (not, RFC8505!) to get our requirements into
  6man, but I didn't have the energy, and the reception was rather cold at
  the time.   I think people were exhausted from SRH debate on 8200.

So our definition of a RUL is any node that does not send a DAO on it's own.
Instead, it speaks RS/NS/ND, and yes, RFC8505 specifically.

    >>  The definition of a RUL starts in the Introduction with a simple
    >>  description: "RUL is an IPv6 Host [RFC8504]".

    > This was not meant to be a definition of a RUL but just one of its
    > characteristics.

-> IPv6 host is not necessarily a RUL.

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