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Re: [rtcweb] IP handling: Using mDNS names for host candidates

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Sat, 30 June 2018 12:44 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:43:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] IP handling: Using mDNS names for host candidates
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I haven't thought about it too much, but I think that I would probably do
is an A/B test where I randomly set clients to this strategy or the current
strategy and measured success rates, time to connect, and (maybe) some sort
of call quality stat. It's not going to be easy because I don't know how
much non-permissioned WebRTC there is in the wild.
-Ekr


On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 6:06 PM, youenn fablet <youennf@gmail.com> wrote:

> A draft describing the Safari/WebKit approach is available at
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mdns-ice-candidates-00.txt
>
> Eric, can you precise the kind of information you would like to have?
> Some testing has been done to validate the approach but I do not think
> this is representative of the actual state of the affair. Safari/WebKit is
> not gathering any related statistic.
>
>    Y
>
> Le ven. 29 juin 2018 à 11:10, Justin Uberti <juberti=40google.com@dmarc.
> ietf.org> a écrit :
>
>> I believe such data will be forthcoming from the Safari team. We are also
>> working on this.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:03 AM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems like this is something one could A/B test and measure
>>> connection rates. Has someone done so?
>>>
>>> -Ekr
>>>
>>

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