Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be encrypted. (Re: Let's define the purpose of WebRTC)]
Randell Jesup <randell-ietf@jesup.org> Wed, 16 November 2011 07:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be encrypted. (Re: Let's define the purpose of WebRTC)]
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On 11/16/2011 1:38 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:13 AM, Justin Uberti wrote: > >> [Local]MediaStreamTrack.sendDTMF(in DOMString tones, in optional long duration) >> >> ex: >> sendDTMF("1") // plays tone 1 for 50 ms >> sendDTMF("2", 200) // plays tone 2 for 200 ms >> sendDTMF("123") // plays tones 1, 2, 3 in succession, each for 50 ms >> sendDTMF("456", 200) // plays tones 4, 5, 6 in succession, each for 200 ms > Sounds good to me, but supporting a multi-digit-string as you did above reminds me that I'll have to check with some experts if this is ok - it reminded me there have been issues with DTMFs being too close to each other in time, but I am not an expert in that and it may not be an issue at all. (there were issues in PSTN when multiple DTMFs were generated back-to-back from a saved address-book contact-entry type thing, but it may have only been a problem for using in-band DTMF which won't be an issue here) Typically you need an on-time and an off-time when sending a stream. I think typical minimums are around 70ms on, 40ms off, but that's off-the-cuff from old neurons. I think the minimum is around 45ms on, but that will see problems with decoders. http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/telecom/signaling/dtmf.html indicates 50ms min on, 45ms min off, 100ms min cycle duration. I wouldn't want to run too close to those numbers, though. "It should be mentioned that Radio Shack, one of the worlds largest retailers of consumer telephone equipment, requires that all telephone devices it sells generate DTMF tones of no less than 70 msec of duration. Radio Shack developed this number based on real-life use of their equipment on telephone networks throughout North America and the finding that shorter tones are more likely to cause dialing troubles." -- Randell Jesup randell-ietf@jesup.org
- [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be enc… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE: Th… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Wolfgang Beck
- [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF in s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount