Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF in signaling? (Re: DTMF usecase before DTMF API)
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Fri, 18 November 2011 11:53 UTC
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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:53:28 +0100
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF in signaling? (Re: DTMF usecase before DTMF API)
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2011/11/18 Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net>: >> In case >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-info-dtmf-package-00 >> becomes a standard, there is no need to send DTMF over the media >> stream (when interoperating with SIP networks). Since this just >> concerns the in-the-wire signaling it becomes up to the application >> developer. >> >> > Are you advocating that we not put DTMF-in-media support in browsers (in > which case I have a good argument against), or are you simply making an > observation about an alternative that may also become available? I'd would like not to make the WebRTC API ugly just due to interoperability with legacy networks, and DTMF is something that, for sure, is so far from the concept of "Web innovation". So if such DTMF can be emulated via the free in-the-wire signaling we avoid adding it to the WebRTC API and also avoid browsers vendors having to deal with DTMF duration, volume and other pure legacy telephony stuff. Even in modern SIP networks, sending DTMF's over RTP is undesired in many cases and forces some non optimal architectural designs. For example, it's very common the use case in which a SIP PBX system brigdes a call between two phones/endpoints and offers "on-demand" recording service. For this, the user (which just has a common/legacy SIP phone) must enter some specific DTMF tones during the call. In order the PBX to intercept these DTMF codes, the RTP must pass through the PBX. If not, DTMF's must be sent over the signaling path so the PBX is aware of them and can react. So sending DTMF's over the signaling path is just better than sending them over the media stream, IMHO for all the possible cases. This is the reason of the use of INFO for carrying DTMFs (even if it has never been standarized and its usage has real drawbacks). Said that, I would strongly propose the above if http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaplan-dispatch-info-dtmf-package-00 was already a standard, unfortunatelly it's not the case. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Michael Thornburgh
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE: Th… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Wolfgang Beck
- [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF in s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] DTMF usecase before DTMF API [was RE… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Support DTMF "codec" or expose DTMF … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The DTMF API [Was: Traffic should be… Roman Shpount