Re: [rtcweb] Bridged line appearance? (Re: Usecase & architecture: Browser application with separate webserver & voipserver)

Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> Wed, 07 September 2011 14:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Bridged line appearance? (Re: Usecase & architecture: Browser application with separate webserver & voipserver)
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On 9/7/2011 7:16 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>
> Whereas with WebRTC implemented *without SIP*, it is fairly easy to 
> build a web app that runs on multiple browsers from multiple vendors 
> and implements this.
>
> So this type of ability to innovate and implement applications without 
> going through the standards process is why we *definitely* don't want 
> SIP baked in to the browser.

And note that this is directly parallel to the "innovate like Gmail" 
discussion. It is trivial for Gmail to change the look and feel and 
behavior of the "delete" button to implement an email paradigm of "keep 
everything, search to find it" (and have it work the same way no matter 
who the browser vendor is)... but this wouldn't have been the case if 
Gmail were forced to use the browser's built-in IMAP implementation.

Matthew Kaufman