Re: [saag] Input for conflict review of draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sun, 21 October 2012 11:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] Input for conflict review of draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol
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So looking at the mails on this, it strikes me that maybe
if the document had a slightly different title that might
resolve all the 5742 concerns about whether or not it
conflicts with IETF work.

If it were called "KoanLogic's Secure cookie Sessions
for HTTP" would that then be ok? IMO, it ought. That way,
the independent-stream RFC won't confuse anyone into
thinking that the IETF as a whole has developed this, but
if some IETF WG wants to do similar work, this could be
useful input. (And adding one word seems likely quicker
than organising and coming to IETF rough consensus;-)

What do folks (incl. authors) think of that?

I realise that the above suggested name isn't quite on
the button, since no doubt a lot of sites manage cookies
in almost the same way. But maybe its good-enough.

Cheers,
S.

On 10/18/2012 03:13 AM, Barry Leiba wrote:
> A document titled "Secure Cookie Sessions for HTTP" has been submitted
> to the Independent Stream Editor (ISE):
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol/
> 
> The IESG has been asked to review the document, as specified in RFC
> 5742, Section 3.  The Security and Applications Area Directors are
> looking for input for that review.  Please post any relevant comments
> to this list, <saag@ietf.org>, as soon as possible, and at least by 1
> November 2012.
> 
> Please read RFC 5742, Section 3, and be aware that we are not looking
> for detailed comments on the document itself (see below).  We
> specifically need input on whether this document is in conflict with
> work that's being done in the IETF.  Look at the five possible
> responses specified in that section, and help us determine whether any
> of 2 through 5 applies.  Please be specific in your response.
> 
> In addition to this, we're sure that the authors and the ISE would
> appreciate comments about the document.  If you have those, you may
> send them directly to the authors at
> <draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol@tools.ietf.org>
> and to the ISE at <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>.
> General discussion of the document on this list will likely not get to the
> authors or the ISE.
> 
> Barry Leiba, Applications AD
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