Re: [Slim] Indication of modality alternatives in draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language -Issue #46

[Gunnar Hellström <[e-mail]>]

I looked back to where we discussed this topic earlier.

It was on 1st of June this year.

At that time I proposed:

"This document defines two media-level attributes starting with
     'hlang' (short for "human interactive language") to negotiate which
     human language alternative(s) the users are prepared to use in each 
interactive media stream."

You (Randall) did not like "alternative(s)" and inserted instead the 
wording with "selected". But you missed to include "users are prepared 
to use" in the new version. Thereby it still looks as the users must use 
all languages the negotiation results in. You have agreed that that is 
not the intention. It is true that later paragraphs in 5.2 clarifies it, 
but I think it is important that also the first paragraph provides a 
true picture about what the negotiation is about.

It is the freedom to not use all negotiated languages that I want to 
have evident already from the first paragraph.

So, a new proposed wording for the sentence under discussion is:

"This document defines two media-level attributes starting with
     'hlang' (short for "human interactive language") to negotiate which
     human language the users are prepared to use in each interactive 
media stream.

If you want, you might fit in "selected" somewhere. The important fact 
is that already here we by the word "prepared" tell that they negotiate 
what they might use, and not what they must use.

OK?

Gunnar



Den 2017-10-14 kl. 19:52, skrev Bernard Aboba:
> Randall said:
>
> "The existing text is talking about which language is selected for use 
> in a media stream should that media stream be used for interactive 
> communication; the proposed wording instead talks about a language 
> that may or may not be used in a media stream, which doesn't seem 
> correct to me."
>
> [BA] Yes, that is how it came across to me as well.
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Randall Gellens 
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     At 10:58 AM +0200 10/14/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote:
>
>          In order to not create complicated sentences but still having
>         the wording match our intentions, I want to change the
>         proposed resolution for Issue # 46 Change 1 to:
>
>          ---Change 1 in 5.2, first paragraph---------------- ------old
>         text---------    This document defines two media-level
>         attributes starting with       'hlang' (short for "human
>         interactive language") to negotiate which       human language
>         is selected for use in each interactive media stream.   
>         ------------new text--------------------    This document
>         defines two media-level attributes starting with       'hlang'
>         (short for "human interactive language") to negotiate which   
>            human language is selected for potential use in each media
>         stream.
>            -------end of change 1-------
>
>          That matches the "if" in paragraph 3, and it is also valid
>         for both the offers and answers, while paragraph 3 is only for
>         the answer.
>          Please accept it, it is of importance for proper
>         understanding of our intentions.
>
>
>     The existing text is talking about which language is selected for
>     use in a media stream should that media stream be used for
>     interactive communication; the proposed wording instead talks
>     about a language that may or may not be used in a media stream,
>     which doesn't seem correct to me. Since we already have text (as
>     noted earlier) that explicitly says that not all negotiated media
>     streams need be used, I don't see a problem with leaving the text
>     as is.
>
>
>     -- 
>     Randall Gellens
>     Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself
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>

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