[spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation request)
Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Tue, 10 March 2020 17:12 UTC
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From: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
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Subject: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation request)
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On 10 Mar 2020, at 10:41, Nico Williams wrote: > ...the process we have for > dealing with complaints is heavily biased against plaintiffs -- which > is > probably as it should be, as otherwise we might never get anything > done, > but then legitimate complaints don't get heard. I feel OP's > frustration. Nico, could you (or others) expand on this? I really think this is worthy of a separate discussion: What is it about the current process that you find biased against those who bring up a dispute? (I take it we're talking about RFC 2026 section 6.5 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-6.5>.) Have you encountered a bias in undertaking such a dispute? I have no doubt that this process is under-used (as a chair and an AD, I had to actively encourage people to use the dispute process instead of just giving up), but I've always assumed that it was just people not wanting to "rock the boat", or not wanting to be seen as a "complainer", or thought that nobody up the chain would take them seriously. Those are serious problems and we should be figuring out how to address them, since people bringing up failures is the only way we can stop bad things from happening when a WG or someone in leadership gets tunnel vision and does the wrong thing. However, this is the first time I've heard someone express that the process itself is stacked against someone with a dispute. If that's true, we should really talk about how to fix that. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best
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- Re: [spring] Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Nick Hilliard
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Melchior Aelmans
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Ted Hardie
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Stewart Bryant
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Loa Andersson
- [spring] Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Alex Bogdanov
- [spring] Fw: FW: Resignation request licong@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: [spring] Resignation request Nico Williams
- [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation reques… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Warren Kumari
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Paul Wouters
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Nico Williams
- Re: [spring] Dispute process (Was: Resignation re… Pete Resnick