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Re: [spring] Resignation request

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Tue, 10 March 2020 15:41 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Alex Bogdanov <bogdanov=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [spring] Resignation request
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On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 03:55:02PM -0800, Alex Bogdanov wrote:
> To add my 2c, I am OK with the declaration of consensus for this
> draft. This draft is >2y old and had been the subject of extensive
> collaborations on the mailing list, many revisions, many working group
> meetings and last call 3 months ago.
> 
> I don't think the original email is the right way to express
> disagreement(we have a process for that). I also fear that these types of
> exchanges are discouraging participation in open technical debates whereas
> what we should be doing is encouraging innovation and making progress.

The complaint that started this thread might discourage participation,
but then, so might the cause of the complaint.  The complaint was a bit
incendiary, and that is a problem.  Then again, the process we have for
dealing with complaints is heavily biased against plaintiffs -- which is
probably as it should be, as otherwise we might never get anything done,
but then legitimate complaints don't get heard.  I feel OP's
frustration.

Nico
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