Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Wed, 26 February 2020 20:41 UTC

To: "john leddy.net" <john@leddy.net>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Sander Steffann <sander@retevia.net>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:40:27 -0300
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Subject: Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea
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On 26/2/20 17:22, john leddy.net wrote:
> I would suggest that people read RFC 7282 - "On Consensus and Humming in the IETF"...
>
> My question is: How do you reach Consensus when the complaint is about how many milliseconds it takes to shoot down a proposal?

This document proposes a *major* change to IPv6. This group has been way
overly conservative even for very minor modifications to the IPv6 specs,
well within 6man charter.

Given that, I would have expected that a long time ago, a long queue of
folks (including the relevant AD) had made it crystal clear that this is
an update to RFC8200, and given the depth of the change, outside of the
charter of 6man.

It is in a way unbelievable the amount of energy we spend on polishing
maintenance updates to IPv6, but then fail to even recognize that what's
being proposes by this document is a major update to IPv6, out of the
scope of 6man (which stands for "IPv6 maintenance", and not for "IPv6
major surgery").

The amount of nonsense we have had to deal with, including this proposal
not violating RFC8200, this proposal being something else other than
IPv6, etc., has also been pointed out by others.

> Is this about the proposal or the vendor involved?

It is about the proposal, indeed. I have sent dozens of emails
expressing technical concerns for this proposal. And the only reference
to "vendors" has been about the conjecture regarding why it has been
acceptable for us being fooled around.

Full disclosure: You didn't ask, but I don't mind being very open about
it: I don't work for any router vendor, or OS vendor, nor do I have any
kind of ongoing, past, or future contract with any of them, or any other
party involved in a competing technology.

I have technical concerns about the proposal (expressed ad nauseam), and
also concerns about how this process has been going on.

Thanks,
--
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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